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Blackout
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http://www.icreatereality.com/
I have read some of this guys stuff and it is extremely interesting. As many of you know, I am an intensely visual and emotional person, and I have had problems with discipline and in manifesting things that I have created in my mind into real world undertakings sometimes. This guy has keys to overcome that. Anyone else familiar with him? What do you think?
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You are not your job, your titles, your possessions, your degrees, your lovers, your relationships, your place of residence, your social security number, your ID, your bills, your worries, your bank account, your age or your body. You are the timeless being that created & perceives itself through those things, and you have the power to play or not play that game. When someone asks me "what do you do?" looking for some title to pin me down, I laugh and say "EVERYTHING!" - Blackout
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http://www.skepdic.com/manifest.html
So if you produce real vivid images of yourself making your dreams come true they will?
That’s not a new or revolutionary concept.
The fact that the guy is selling a book on it makes me think he is yet another new age author trying to make a buck (basing nothing on logic or coincidence) off of the poor souls who support the gargantuan and sorry American self-help market.
I call shenanigans. Seriously, that kind of stuff is on Penn and Teller: Bullshit!
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I know it is not a new or revolutionary concept, but how he integrates it with hologram theory is rather interesting and rather new. I also don't believe it to be bullshit, and I don't think there is ANYTHING wrong with someone making money for a living off of doing something GOOD! As if GOOD people should do everything for FREE and be poor, while you run off to all the conglomerates and willingly shell out all your hard earned cash to them.
I can tell you, if visualization and manifesting from those visualizatios were bullshit, then this website and everything on it would not be here... it would simply not exist - because I visualized this over and over and over again in my head many times.. far before the internet existed...and even when I didn't know exactly what it was, I secured blackout.com, with a seedling in my heart that it would become someplace great - even if I didn't know WHAT exactly that greatness was, I had an idea of what I wanted it to be and so as I visualized... I began to scultpt and paint and dance. I wanted a place...where I could show my work, but where other creative people could meet. I was frustrated with the tools I had in high school and envisioned that everything would go digital and that film and tape would die over 12 to 13 years ago. Go do a search on usenet for posts from blackout@blackout.com or Michael Biggins or Michael Bigansky and Shane Bushman. Read of me descibing cameras where you would not lose ANY quality no matter how many times you copied things, like a computer program, and read of me describing that cameras needed to go digital and run at the framerate of 24 frames per second so that people wouldn't need to have to use film anymore, which was far too costly and combersome to allow individual artists access to making films. People attacked me and called me a wackadoo... 12 years ago... but what is everyone doing now? Abandoning film for digital video shot at the same frame rate of 24fps. I envisioned what I wanted because I was frustrated at what was. What was was very limiting to me and my pace. I worked with what I had, sure, but I visualized much more, and here it is. I visualized this... I visualized laptops when I was frustrated with lugging my computer stuff around and no laptops existed... I remember visualizing a time "when all people would be connected at all times in all places all over the world through either visual or audio means on a small and convienent device that allowed you to communicate to anyone from anywhere"
I wrote that in a book when I was about 13... that's more than 17 years ago when NONE of this suff existed. No internet, no cell phones (or at least not how WE know them).
I am not saying I am directly responsible for these things, but I imagine many other people were visualizing them too and then taking action to manifest them.... the multiple people thinking sended out the energy, and then the energy swirls around, and then inventors start getting ideas and making the stuff. I consider myself an inventor of sorts, but I think anyone can be an inventor if they focus. You do pretty much invent your life if you focus on it... or you can be a passenger to a preset life that your environment or parents laid out for you and never question it and say...these are my cards...I was dealt these cards and must use them and play them. That may be true to an extent...but what if you want new cards? What if you want something that isn't even a card or something that exists at all? I was always a questioner, and always a visualizer. I think in bright futuristic colors, but in the presnt moment.
I'll never forget the term "manifest destiny", it was actually a handle of a guy who used to leave me messages on the ORIGINAL Blackout's Box Voice Mail Box system. I was the first to use a voice mail system for pure entertainment purposes and interactively include the people who left the messages on the next updates of the messages. One guy left me a message, and said, "what you are doing is good, keep up with your forward thinking, your dreams are not just dreams...you are doing them and the slightest action of doing them is making more of them come out and be real... manifest destiny Blackout.... MANIFEST DESTINY!"
It's not just that you visualize something and POOF, it appears - that's what your dream state is for, where you are visualizing things all the time. Here, you visualize, and you must work through the goop of physics and people and energy to make it happen, but the stronger your visualization, matched with true working drive and passion connected to talent - the more 'coincidences' you will start to have, the more you will atract the very people who can help you work on your imagined visualizations and turn them into concrete reality, and the more you will help THEM manifest theirs.
I bet when Walt Disney tried to first explain Diney World to people, they thought he was an insane, egotisical, out of touch with reality nutcase. Just the idea of putting the word "World" after one's last name seems like an egomaniac to the extreme, but he stuck to his guns and his vision. He knew it was good, and he made it happen, he didn't need validation from others but enjoyed it when others enjoyed his idea, and he simply discarded the negative opposers that he did not need. This is not to say he didn't consider critiques from people, but he believed beyond all that.
Really think on it.
"I am going to create a world and characters from my imagination that people come and PAY to be in.. they will pay to come and be in my world and have fun and fantasy... my name is Disney so I'll call it..... Disney World! It will have a famous mouse as its host, and dogs and chipmunks and ducks walking around, and peter pan and old story tales will come to life, and then I will have all the presidents talk about history, and send people into space rides about the future."
"Yeahh.. yeah.. sure Walt... I think you better lay off the pipe," was probably the response from a good many people.
His idea, before it became reality, sounds insane and maniacle, but look at not only the REALITY, but the EMPIRE that it turned into!
So you can scoff at manifesting and call it a bunch of crap, and so it WILL BE for you, because you are manifesting THAT belief into your true reality by writing what you just did.
But I believe in it, and I think it works.
I know it works. Because here I am, in Blackout's Box, my little world, typing to you, and it will only get bigger and succeeed, and if it does not, I will die trying and then try again in the next life, and so on, and so on, and so on, even if it takes 42 times.
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You are not your job, your titles, your possessions, your degrees, your lovers, your relationships, your place of residence, your social security number, your ID, your bills, your worries, your bank account, your age or your body. You are the timeless being that created & perceives itself through those things, and you have the power to play or not play that game. When someone asks me "what do you do?" looking for some title to pin me down, I laugh and say "EVERYTHING!" - Blackout
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Not bullshit? Does Mr. Westra have any scientific evidence for his “hologram theory”?
Does his book have any end notes or does it mention any studies? Or, does he just pull his theory out of his ass like most “New Age” profiteers? Really, I haven’t read it and to be fair I would like to know. Where is the evidence that we all have “personal” spiritual energy anyway? (Like Chi.)
When people set goals for themselves and have a good idea of how they want to go about accomplishing them it will be easier to succeed. That is just an organizational truism. There is a difference between having an idea (like say for an invention) and making some type of hologram of it. Imagination is different from emulation.
I don’t know what you mean when you talk about the “EMPIRE”, but to say that manifesting will be a bunch of crap to me because I’m “manifesting” the belief that it doesn’t work is inconsistent. First you state that manifesting is not directly responsible for actual results, that indeed, other variables enter into the equation. (Like your example with technology.) Then you state that manifesting is directly responsible. By which me “manifesting” the notion that it is a bunch of crap makes it automatically a bunch of crap in my reality.
So which is it? Just because someone may manifest the belief that a theory is true or false doesn’t make it so. It can’t be both. It can be true, with reasonable evidence and experimentation, or it can be false and still be believed with faith. For example, there is no evidence that God exists but people have faith in their realities.
And to sell something based on faith, to make something that should be spiritual in to commodity, is not good. Its not good for Evangelical preachers, its not good for psychic hotlines, and its not good for self-help book authors. The sad part is that some people actually live their lives presuming that their faith in something is based on facts. When they find out it is not it can be disastrous.
The man offers Personal HoloCreation Consultations for ninety dollars and hour!
He better offer some evidence for that rate.
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First off, let me state that I am not defending or endorsing this particular man or his book. I simply found some of his ideas very interesting and in line with some of the feelings and ideas I have had and that I have read from some other people (including scientists) and so I posted a query out there so see what anyone else thought.
As far as visualization and manifesting your own reality though, I believe that stuff to be true. You want to separate it into some sort of super magick (and yes, I spelled magick with a K added for a reason, go look up the differences) and separate science, but they do not need to be separated, they are the same. Manifesting things is simple focused energy and action. The theory goes that all humans, regardless of weather they are aware of it or not, are all connected just like a giant network, just like we are here on the internet, so is every human consciousness and then probably consciousnesses beyond that. By absolutely concentarting and visualizing something to be true - to see it forming and at its end state, and to do this constantly while taking action, you are sending out your message to the network of consciuosness, to other humans and the universe, and it WILL be picked up on and people will help you (or hinder or hurt you if that is what your are sending out), you also will be affecting matter throgh thought, however lightly at first, you WILL have an effect.
Think of this place. Blackout's Box, as kind of small microcosm of what I am talking about. Here, if I should need any amount of help, what do I do? I post a message or maybe during the radio show I say something. First of course, I have an idea, or something visualized in my mind, then I start to manifest it by actually writing it or recording it or taking some action on whatever the thing might be that I visualized.
Say I need help on something, and I post a message about it here, that is manifesting! Suddenly, people that I don't know show up and help me. Many people over the years who I don't know have offered tremendous help, they have answered my call, and I try and do what I can in return for them. This is how life is supposed to work. We are not just a bunch of random and chaotic events - unless of course - we want to be.
Visualization and manifestition is not simple 'abracadabra,' (though it is close) - it is the unseen network of the universe that simply can't be comprehended by most people. I will have to search further to get you some scientific studies on this since you seem to like the term 'science' better than 'magick,' but the terms might as well be one and the same. Science doesn't have ANY answers either, just a bunch of lumped upon observations that say 'the universe appears to work this way...and it does this when we do that..and there are certain laws of matter and energy and light and gravity and ect..."
But the when the simplest child goes and gets a science lesson and then gets down through to the best we know so far...after atoms, and then protons and electrons in their orbits, and then quarks...and gravity...the child still asks...
"Why?"
And science says... "Uhhhh....we don't know."
Science says that gravity works because it is a physical law, well it might as well be Doug Hennings or Houdini saying abracadabra! So that's why there is gravity! Science knows that when you put to opposing magnets towards eachother, they send out forces that repell eachother, but WHY or HOW or WHO set THAT up? They don't know...and they will probably never know, because I believe we ourselves set it up and hid it from ourselves for fun.
Could there be a God as he is described in the bible? All egotistical and "thou shalt fear me," and shit? Sure...there could be.
Could we have been made by some big green alien who is having fun with his test tube experiment for his alien school class? Sure.
Could it be that it is the dolphins that realy rule this planet and they are laughing at us and our stupid ways?
As Bugs Bunny would say, "MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm couuuuuuuuuulld beeee!" and then he would go on chewing his carrot and forget about it.
Science doesn't know jack shit as to the true reason, nature, mechanism or intelligence by which antyhing works. It is just a really good list of rules of how everything reacts to everything else that we have been able to observe so far, which, don't get me wrong, is a VERY helpful thing, as it allows us to manifest more stuff from our dreams, but when one gets to the bottom of the list of this happens because this does this to that, and then THAT happens because this is made for that and attracts that to this, and then HAT happens because this is under that doing this... one still gets to an empty treasure chest of, "well we don't know WHY, we just know that's what it does," at the end.
So science is very useful to me for explaining things I need to know about the physical universe and things within it, but I don't believe the physical universe is all there is.
Also, since you seem to call anyone who uses words like spirituality or 'energy' or 'manifesting' a new age guru of crap who is just doing it to milk people out of money, I would like to show you an article, that was in Scientific American (written by scientists who submit articles from around the world), who basically had theories VERY similar to this man that I posted about in the starting link who you are calling a sham:
Damn... figures I can't find the damn magazine now... but let me show you what came up on a couple of searches from scientists:
Scientific American article number one - "Theoretical results about black holes suggest that the universe could be like a gigantic hologram" quote:
Time travel, teleportation, parallel universes--in certain sectors of the physics community, notions once relegated to the realm of science fiction are now considered quite plausible. Indeed, by some accounts, the truth may be stranger than fiction. Consider the possibility that the universe is a huge hologram or that matter is composed of tiny, vibrating strings. Perhaps space and time are not continuous but instead come in discrete pieces. These are the wonderfully weird ways in which theorists are beginning to conceive of the world (or worlds!) around us.
In this exclusive online issue, leading authorities share their expertise on these cutting-edge ideas. Brian Greene untangles string theory; Max Tegmark reveals how astronomical observations support the existence of parallel universes; other scholars tackle quantum teleportation, negative energy, the holographic principle and loop quantum gravity; and Gordon Kane ushers in the dawn of physics beyond the Standard Model! Indeed, a current trend, initiated by John A. Wheeler of Princeton University, is to regard the physical world as made of information, with energy and matter as incidentals.
Choke on that one Mr Bill Nye the science guy.
Oh, by the way, here's another jagged little pill to swallow. You argued that most people who have new age information must be sharlatans because they CHARGE for the information, well then everyone from Scientific American (who are all respected scientists) must be sharlatans too because their magazine charges quite a hefty price for an individual magazine or a subscription, and you can't even READ the whole article online without 'adding it to your cart and 'paying a fee'. WHAT!?!?!?!? Outrageous! These scientists must be scaming ripoff con artists! Or wait...maybe they need to make money and eat too? I don't know I am so confused. (sarcasm)
The truth is that there are con artists in ANY field, both in spiritual and scientific communities, as well as any other area of knowlwedge in life. Some people really are in the know on subjects and are truly trying to help others, and some people ARE out just to rip you off and take as much of your money as they can, and if you allow them to do that you are a sucker. We all have been suckers and suckered at one time or another in our lives. The term comes from being like a baby or child in your easy ability to be manipulated or in trusting too easily, but it IS JUST AS BAD to go far off in the OTHER direction and be unmovable in your beliefs, automatically disrusting anyone who has beliefs different than yours, or so sternly locked into your own world that you are unwilling to take a look at any information other than your own already trusted sources and worldview with any seriousness because you think everyone outside of your viewpoint is trying to sucker you.
Suck on that for a while.
We grow in knowledge and intuition as we grow in life. It is usually pretty easy to see if someone is out to rip you off if you have any sort of intelligence whatsoever, but unfortunately many people do not have the intelligence to realize when they are being conned. Just because someone charges for his services, does not mean he is a con artist. We all have to charge for our service in order to live in this world, unless we have made enough money to not have to do so and we choose to do free work just for the love of it and because we can, or unless we were born into a wealthy bloodline that has so much money that it need not do ANYTHING for society because it can live off of its interest perpetually (basically... getting tons and tons of more money while performing no use to society but still consuming all the labors and products of the people who are physically & mentally doing things, for free) this is why I think INTEREST on money should have never been allowed and the system should be abolished. The system of interest quite simply: It does nothing for the poor and it allows the rich to live doing nothing.
How is that right?
Now, since it IS a system which was and is in place, I will take advantage of it for good just as the people who started it took advantage of it for evil.. or lets not even call it evil, lets just say they manipulated it to their advantage (the people who had the most money created the system of interest so that they and their families would stay in power and make money for free...by doing nothing...forever. Now before you go arguing that they are doing something - that they are providing the service of lending money and taking a risk which is why they are charging interest, let me counter argue and say that that argument is a fraud, because many people with money into the billions and beyond DO NOT lend out their money, at all, and so they are performing no service to ANYONE yet still being paid a very hefty salary for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING other than being RICH to begin with.
But now I am straying, that is a topic for another discussion...
I'm off to visualize and manifest some more cool shit in this hologram - it will be up on the site tonight.
- Blackout
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You are not your job, your titles, your possessions, your degrees, your lovers, your relationships, your place of residence, your social security number, your ID, your bills, your worries, your bank account, your age or your body. You are the timeless being that created & perceives itself through those things, and you have the power to play or not play that game. When someone asks me "what do you do?" looking for some title to pin me down, I laugh and say "EVERYTHING!" - Blackout
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WHAT NOW BEOTCH!!!!!! You done been schooled Darweenie!!!!! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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I've been reading up on a similar branch with a bit called "Psychic Seduction." They're charging $50 for an mp3 and $60 for an e-book, but I managed to get an earlier version they had on the net for free. (not pirated or illegally, they had it available).
Basically what it involves is you visualizing certain things that will in essence, direct your thoughts into the minds of those you want to seduce. One technique involves making you mentally disconnecting your hand (if you've ever had to have an IV drip for any period of time, you kind of know how to do this)... resulting in it becoming very cold due to a lack of blood flow. Then you visualize it being covered in hot lava or something and it'll turn red. Then you mentally stick your hand on your target's genitals and that's supposed to transmit your energy over to them and turn them on.
With the mp3 they offer, they say that it'll help you hop into the mind of a person's sub-conscious, where you can leave subliminal messages (such as pleasuring them completely, and having them associate you with that pleasure). I'm not sure if I wanna lay down $50 for an mp3, but I've had my eye on it for awhile. People in their forums say it works.
Here's a link to some free mp3s they offer...
mp3s to empower your mind.
I've listened to some of them (such as MLF da Babe which is supposed to make women attracted to you, and Deep Mind Ultra II which helps you sleep and such). On the whole, I find myself talking to more women than I used to... None are falling head over heels in love with me, but they seem friendlier (Eazy Cheeze might want to check this out). I think it's subliminally giving me little personality boosts, which doesn't bother me ![[Laugh]](graemlins/laughface.gif)
The link for that Psychic Seduction mp3 is here:
Psychic Seduction description
And if you decide to get it (haha, yea right )
Get it here:
Psychic Seduction Purchase
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Interesting post. Not only did none of my questions regarding inconsistencies or what data is in the book get answered, but it seems I also have to explain basic differences between science and “majik’. It is very simple.
Yes, science is a bunch of “lumped upon observations”, and those observations are part of the scientific method, based on experimentation, observation, and physical evidence. Observations that say the world is based on static rules of logic. I.E. A=A. Gravity is not “abracadabra”, gravity as a theory was revealed through the scientific method. I never stated that science had all the answers but how you can not possibly distinguish between something with myriads of physical evidence and something that exists in another realm entirely is quite astonishing.
You acknowledge that there is a difference between the “physical universe” and the spiritual one, then acknowledge that that spiritual is not based on any physical evidence and is left to faith.
Scientific American is based on science, the static rules that govern or everyday lives. They sell a product that discusses these rules and they also announce theories. Notice that these theories, again, can’t be proven through the scientific process. (I’m sure it would be big news if it could be proven that the theories in that issue are true!) The difference is that the Scientific American does not purport that such theories are true. Unlike many “New Age” self help books that say their theories are.
It is still in the realm of faith until proven. The realm that science doesn’t reach. Of course there are cons in all communities. The difference is you can spot a con easily based off of physical evidence and data in the scientific community, where as the spiritual community doesn’t even rely on such a method, it is based, again, on faith.
It is fine to believe visualization, or that we or interconnected, or any other theory. But admit it is not based on science. Such theories are no more true then saying there is a God and he is and old man with a white beard up in heaven right? All I stated it was that selling a product based solely on faith (especially when you say it is truth that will help you in everyday life) is bullshit.
But I guess if I try to approach something spiritual and say it is not a truth I am just too stupid to comprehend it and too afraid of getting conned to open my mind up.
On a personal note, I have spiritual beliefs for myself, but I know they are not based on logic. They are based on a gut feeling. If someone does not agree with me on that level I am certainly not going to disparage their spiritual beliefs based on that fact that I have no physical basis for my own. And I’m certainly not going to make a living off of that faith.
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Herbert... that sounds more like a scam load of KaaKaa than what I am reading from this guy. It sounds like a lower level thing from someone who knows very little of the big picture. It may even work, but it's lame.
Now as far as this guy being some scammer out for money - I wrote him telling him I was curious but didn't have the money and would like to just talk to him about it on my show, and he gave me all his books for free to decide for myself what I think. I haven't read them all yet but I read a little and it is very exciting and explains a lot of things that have been going on in my life lately.
Oh... I found that Scienific American magazine that I bought two years ago...so if you want some scientific evidence to back up these claims, well here ya go:
I have two other science journals where respected scientists from well known universities talk about holograms and manifestation through creative thought - that information and thought are simply energy vibrations, and that matter is just a very low frequency vibration that came from a high frequency thought, which then manifested and manipulated physical matter. That everything is truly just LIGHT, and that's why you can't seem to travel faster than the speed of it - at least not YET. Matter... physical matter.. may just be VERY.. VERY.. slow light.
Of course... this is still theory and hasn't been absolutely proven, but that is one of the things that they are talking about. Scientific evidence and tests DO support it so it is not ENTIRELY faith and theory based. Tests done have shown that someone sitting and concentrating on a bunch of atoms or quarks has been able to alter them - their speed, configuration and structure, even if only in the slightest amount. They have had a control group of physcial matter and then the same group of physical matter particles focused and concentrated on by individuals and shown that marked differences have appeared.
I am not trying to shove this down your throat and tell you you have to believe it...it is something that I just feel, and have felt for some time. Scientific American and smoe of the worlds great scientists finally leaning that way just tickles my funnybone. People are opening their eyes that there is something more, or at least to the possibility that there is something more, than this day to day physical dimension we are in - and I find that to be a VERY good thing.
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No Doubt.
My major objection is with people saying that a theory is truth and holds all the answers to "success". I wasn't trying to marginalize the "New Age" crowd, but it can be a very lucrative business. Psychics, Tarot Cards, Astrology, Self-Help books, healing crystals, etc....
The worst example of this is John Edward, the "medium" who claims to talk with the deceased. He even had a television show. What wasn't mentioned was that when you went to him for a reading you paid a lot of money and had to sign a contract saying you would not talk about your session.
Now, that guy is dealing with people who are emotionally vulnerable because they have lost a loved one. To make money off of things like that, or even people that have what their society judges as personal defects, is wrong to me. If you really want to help them don't charge them for it.
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Great post Blackout!
It really makes you think, this may not be directly related to this at all...
But one of my favourite guitarists got ALS in 1989, he hasn't been able to play guitar since.
But, this is not the point.
He wasn't a religious person, and tried to be while he was fighting through this disease. He could not really relate to any religion, and gave up on that.
He then came accross some books on ''Self Realization'', and although he cannot physically move, he says he practices ''mind yoga''.
Through ''mind yoga'', he has earned back some of his muscles he could not control before, among other health benefits.
One night, he awoke and walked to the fridge, then realized ''OH ya, I cant walk'' and then he immediately fell, he hasnt had a moment like this yet again, but he strongly believes that many things in this world are ''mind over matter.''
--I don't know exactly what this has to do with your post, but It reminded me of this guy for some obscure reason.
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''I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse.''
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It has a lot to do with this post. If what you are saying is an actual and true story, then it relates entirely. Basically, there is some REASON that he got what he got. This reason could be himself, or someone else, or just plain toxins or genetic defects, but the one thing I can promise you, is that he will not always be like that. No state is permanent except the state of change.
If your friend REALLY did one night get up and walk to the fridge, and then realize that he couldn't walk and he fell... this should be ABSOLUTE PROOF to him that there is something going on mind or will wise that he is not getting or mastering. If it was just a dream... it STILL has relevance. Think of it as watching him in a movie. In a movie... we see all sorts of beautiful and horrible things happen, but we know we are watching a movie, and we leave detached, knowing... that was a good... or bad... MOVIE - but then we get home and get PISSED because our boyfriend or girlfriend or wife or spouse did something to annoy us. If you are able to see your life as an enternal great story and play, of your own creation, you will begin to have the most interesting life ever. Become the writer, director, and most importantly - ACTOR - of your wn life movie.
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ACT on your life and make decisions and make it YOUR life.
OR leave it to the wind or something else... and be a victim of circumstance.
What happened to your friend is akin to when the coyote would be chasing the road runner, and the road runner would lead wild e coyote off of a cliff... and coyote would stand there for a few seconds tapping his feet pissed that he missed the road runner... and then look down, NOTICE that he was standing in thin air, have the realization that this was not possible, and only THEN would he FALL because he THOUGHT he HAD to!
Now I am not saying you can walk out over thin air and not suffer the effects of gravity...
yet... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Ah, excellent points.
(although he was one of my favourite guitar players, whom was concidered a prodigy, then ALS occured.)
I also think this is why, alot of those ''healers'', people whom say they can heal. When all they do is walk up and hug them and say 'your are healed' or something to that extent, is why alot of people for some bizarre reason actually got healed (although not all).
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www.jasonbecker.com
Go to ''Jasons words'', and maybe read his story if your interested.
I have read better stories of his, but failed to find them on the net.
He often goes with the ALS society, and other members who have ALS and have overcame it in some way...
Their was one lady I recall, who was so mad at the world that she was now a 'veggie' from ALS.
She then turned her whole attitude around, and began to look at herself in the mirror, and learn to accept it and love herself still.
Her symptoms decreased and she regained some control of her body.
I think it was the women Jason Becker mentions in this quote:
They kept emphasizing that ALS is always fatal. Bullshit! I have a tape of a woman named Evy McDonald who had ALS and was preparing to die. She changed her attitude and now she is totally free of any symptoms.
He is a bit religious toward god and the such now, but that does not prove that he's wrong, if you change your attitude and approach things different ly, it's about 10% left to the 'big goal', if you were to ask my opinion.
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Blackout great posts. My post wont be that well written so bear with me ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
So let me start by sayinh I believe each person has a will and a conciousness that CAN but does not always effect everyone and everything. However I do not believe that we are in complete control of our own destiny. It is very empowering to think so, but really we all can die of old age, be injured in an accident, get a disease, etc. When these things happen it does not mean we wished this on ourselves or somehow did something to deserve it. The fact of the matter is there are rules in our life that we cannot change and things we cannot explain. Rules being in place suggest there was someone or something that caused order to come about. So where does that order come from?
As I see there are three options
1 We created our own universe and exist in it and govern it by our own will. Which is the most egotistical explantion and impossible to prove.
2 A series of events occuried that lead to a planet developing life over billions of years. Which is the safest/obvious explanation and can be proven with data.
3 The universe was created and ordered in a certain why by a higher being who wanted humans to exist. Which is the oldest belief and if true cannot be proven by man through any physical means.
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We all have free will to think and choose what we think is real. Use that free will to be positive and uplifting. If we can effect others with our thoughts/vibes/energy/chi whatever why not? Why not do the right thing?
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I agree with most of what you are saying except that theory number 1 is egotistical. I don't see it as egotistical. I believe we did, in the end all be all of things, create our own universe and divide ourselves into the endless infinities within it. I don't see this viewpoint as egotistical at all, because we are ALL equal in the end - even though we may not all appear to be equal during certain times, but time itself is simply one of our creations. I have said this in my last post on life, the universe, everything, and IT, and I will say it again, please pay close attention:
"YOU ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT, GRANDEST SPECTACULAR, SUPREME, AND GREATEST CREATION IN ALL OF THE ENTIRETY OF ENTIRETY AND THEN SOME!"
Now that looks pretty egotistical doesn't it?
You may read that and think, "I have good self esteem and all, but I am not so egotistical as to think that I am the most important, grandest, spectacular, supreme, and greatest creation in all of the entirety of entirety and then some!"
That is most people's reaction, and perhaps that statement/belief would be egotistical if it were left on its own and not intricately connected and completely linked with this next statement/belief:
"NO ONE OR NO THING ELSE IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN YOU."
That is my theory, that is my belief, plain and simple. I go with door number one in your list of three, and I'll explain why:
First, your three theories:
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As I see there are three options
1 We created our own universe and exist in it and govern it by our own will. Which is the most egotistical explantion and impossible to prove.
2 A series of events occuried that lead to a planet developing life over billions of years. Which is the safest/obvious explanation and can be proven with data.
3 The universe was created and ordered in a certain why by a higher being who wanted humans to exist. Which is the oldest belief and if true cannot be proven by man through any physical means.
As I said, I believe in choice one. I believe this choice is true for everyone. I believe this world and dimension to be a sort of communal shared space-time area like the town in "What Dreams May Come". In that movie, in your own space, you could create whatever you wanted - it was totally your world, like a forever continuing dream. There, your rules applied, your style, your art, your physics, your laws. When you went to the central town, you had some control, but it mixed with everyone elses to form a mutually agreed on concerte reality. I believe the earth is basicaly like that. The earth, this universe, and its laws are a product of all of our combined consciousnesses, and some consciousnesses are far more powerful than others. This does not make them more important, but their level of awareness and power may make more of their wishes apparent in this shared physical manifestation that is our world and our universe. As you become more and more aware that your every thought DOES have an impact on the whole of the world, you gain more power and therefor impact the world even more. Of course, thought must be followed with action, but all action really is is focused thought in motion. When you walk, talk, run, jog, laugh, write, lift, push, scream, whatever... you are thinking, and your thought is commanding the physical matter that is you to obey it, and for most people, what does it do? It obeys you! So there is proof right there that thought does affect matter, because you are doing it as you type.. you are thinking, and effortlessly, your mind is manipulating matter and controlling your finger tips to do its bidding. This is action...action follows the commands initiated in thought. Expand beyond just your body and watch what begins to happen as your awareness and focus grows. Suddenly, what you would call coincidences will happen at a faster and faster rate. It is happening to me right now. I am very light of thought and I believe what I am saying, and people are just showing up in my life to help me or who need my help, and I am going with the flow, going after what I want and how I would like things to be, and not taking no from anybody. When a door shuts, I go sideways and look for another door. Sure, a bus may run me over, I may get struck down or shot at any moment, and nothing may work out, but that thought no longers scares me or has power over me, where for most of my life, it did. I don't even bother considering that though anymore. I don't worry about death or obssess over age anymore, or what I should have or could have accomplished and blah blah blah by what time I should have and blah blah blah in my life. That is all a nervous man's game that I am no longer playing, and it is a wonderful, beautiful, and exceptionally empowering feeling to be released from those chains that I bound myself to for so many years.
I now simply know, with an absolute certainty, that there is life after death, and that there is nothing to fear. I cannot impart this feeling or knowledge onto anyone for it is something you must find and feel for yourself. All I can do is to simply point some helpful fingers towards the right directions and information, for those who are already engadged in the quest. I finally know, and believe, with an absolute certainty, that I will succeed, in the long run, and that should I die tommrorow, my quest will not stop.
In choice number 2, you say:
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2 A series of events occuried that lead to a planet developing life over billions of years. Which is the safest/obvious explanation and can be proven with data.
This is a theory that does not stand on its own - in my eyes. "A series of events occuried that lead to a planet developing life," needs something before it...something to set up the series of events. The very term, series of events, means that there must have been some universal laws and space-time in place because events are things that happen, and series means that those events happened within in a certain time line. It has been proven theoretically that there are places where time does not exist, stops, or breaks down entirely, such as in the event horizon of a black hole. To me, this theory, theory number 2, can be true, but it just goes along with theory number one. I say we were the ones who set up the series of events, and the space-time rules and laws with which to have those events happen.
Now lets look at theory number three, which to me is almost the same as theory number two, which goes all in with what I believe to be the truth, theory number 1.
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3 The universe was created and ordered in a certain way by a higher being who wanted humans to exist. Which is the oldest belief and if true cannot be proven by man through any physical means.
This theory may very well be TRUE too, but I still say it goes right along with theory number 1... that we did it. Let me explain.
Let's say theory number 3 gets proven to be true... lets say, that in 2012, some strange lookng close encounter type alien life form lands on our planet, and shows us the schematics of everything - how DNA works, and how they set up not only life on our planet, but the entire universe and its laws and physics that we exist within. These creatures might look very strange to us indeed, because they may come from a place that does not even FOLLOW the laws and physics of the universe/dimension that WE are in. Even if this happens.. and we all go "ooohhhhhh!!!!.. woooowwwww... it all makes sense now!!! this guy's god! Hi God!"
What is going to be out first question to he/she/it/thingy/McAlien after our incredible awe and astoundment are gone?
"Where and what universe/dimension/plain of existence did YOU come from and what is it like there and WHO designed YOU and YOUR laws?"
This can go on and on to infinity, and it probably does and IS happening right now...there probably is a dude who designed our universe and us, and then something that designed that thing's universe and it, and so on and so on and so forth.... bubbles and bubbles and bubbles of creative universes within universes...life within life within life...but it never unifies... you are always looking for some top dog, some master intelligence, some grand creator of the entire thing.
Take a look in the mirror.
There he/she/it is.
Once you accept that, that we are all the Gods we search for, even though we may not be able to lift our little pinky toe at the time, you will notice dramatic changes in your life.
The universe is itself, is you, is everything, is its creator and author and makes amendments to itself. The universe is creativity and it is aware that it exists, it is aware of itself through you and all others. All of us together are one, there is no seperate, there is no nothing, only the illusion of such. This does not mean your uniqueness is not useful or important, you will always have the uniqueness of you and it will always be needed, even when you completely lose yourself and sense of identity and merge with the ALL that IS from time to time (or eventually out of time and space).
There IS simply IS, and you IS IS beotch!
Welcome to infinity, enjoy the show!
- Blackout ![[Hippy Chic]](graemlins/hippy.gif)
Your fellow God and co creator of the new fantastic re-evolution!
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Ahh good points blackout. I see what you are saying and can see you have meditated a lot on the subject. The reason why I said number one was egotistical because it suggest that all answers can be found in the mirror which appeals to everyones ego. So while i respect your theory as being credible I do not agree with it in some facets. For your theory to be true we would all have to be equal. The danger in that type of thinking is that if everyone is God then no one is truely accountable for anything. It is a very empowering way of thinking and I see it as very much appealing to the ego. Too carry that logic on how do you explain retarded people, or people with physical ailments are they just part of the IS and the WE chose that they IS how they IS. For me this type of thinking can tear a person into a horrible slippery slope and provides more questions then answers. As I am sure you have seen the movie What the bleep do we know? You will notice the scientists explaining this theory and how it relates to the universe were very confused themselves even calling it a black hole of questions or something like that. So be carefull before you jump down that hole. A lot of this type of thinking is suggesting what life is and not really what is important in life...We can choose how to describe life and we can choose what is important in life but if we are blind then we are blind.
Now honestly I am religious so of course I believe the third option that there was a higher power that created order. This higher power set about a sequence of events. We as linear beings saw fit to measure this sequence and we call it time. I believe time is simply a construct and not an actual thing. That in my mind explains why god can have no begining and no end because time is really just a forward moving progression of things. That is why traveling back in time to me makes no sense. Another reason why I am hesitant to that theory is because of what the bible says was the very first thing that humans did wrong in Gods eyes.
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1 Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You can't eat from any tree in the garden '?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit from the trees in the garden. 3 But about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God said, 'You must not eat it or touch it, or you will die. ' "
4 "No! You will not die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "In fact, God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
So you see prior to mankind disobeying God there was no timelimit on there life span and God provided them with enjoyable conditions to live.
God had to give his little humans conciousness and free will. With this free will we chose not to follow God and instead follow Satan. Satan is in control of the world because we chose him and oursleves as our leader instead of God. So God said just be the more obedient to me rather then satan and I will give all these free gifts. Satans goal is to dominate man and misuse man for unnatural purposes. So i extend a warning too you. Meditate further and look for the answers that are truely outside yourself. Question injustice, question evil, question hate, question the emptiness that these things make people feel. They make us feel empty because that is not what we were meant to be. The number 666 is said to be the sign of the beast. Most people dont know what it really means. In the old days numbers meant something. 6 meant total incompleteness. And 3 was used for emphasis. SO 666 is basically calling satan nothing and worthless. There is light and there is darkness. Ying Yang suggest you need both. The interesting thing tho is that darkness is nothing. It really is just the absence of light.
SO I am totally rambling but thanks for having this forum open to let people express this kind of stuff because I think it is really cool
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You're welcome.
I respect your right to believe in religion and choose door number three of your theories, but believe me, I have reflected much on it, and while it might be true (some alien COULD be the God of our Bible), I don't think it would be the end answer.
I consider myself highly spiritual - but not religious. I also consider myself a very good person in that I always try to help others and do whatever I can to stop injustice and ignorance. At the same time, I also try not to let those things worry me so much anymore that they consume my life. I was raised roman cathloc and attended catholic school and church and did all the catholic rites and attnded sunday school as well and I was even an alter boy for two days or so until I pretended I was Conan the Barbarian (actually, I called myself, Conan, the Alterboybarian) one day while I held the incense burner that the priest uses (to me, it was Conan's mace) and I started flailing it around and doing my arnold impression for the other alter boys - when the little ball at the end of the chain that holds the burning insence flew off, about 50 feet up into the air, and then promptly landed in a collection basket and set the donations on fire.
The preist, who was a cigarette smoking, porn watching, violent bitch slap you hard if you did something wrong type of guy, looked over all of us alter boys and dedmanded that whoever did it step forward.
I stood silent and in line with the other alter boys. United we stood. I thought that these were my buddies, and that if none of us waivered, the punishment would not be as bad as if he found out it was me who did it.
"I see that you are trying to unite," said the priest," and I find that a good thing, but for a wrong cause, it is not good. I will find out who did this, and now, because you are trying to pull some scheme over me and you are ALL disobeying me, the ones who DID not do it are going to get 3 times the punishment of the one who did it, and believe me, I will find out who did it if it takes me all day. So this is your last chance. I am now going to ask the ones who didn't do it to step backwards, and if all of you stand where you are, or all of you step backwards, you are all going to get the ruler for 15 minutes straight, and then we will continue."
"Tricky," I thought to myself. This guy was a real trucky bastard. Now I ahd to figure out, without giving any signals of fear away (and believe me, I was loaded with fear) whether to stand firm in the line as I was, or to step backwards. I knew that looking for a signal from them would ruin me, because that was what the priest was looking for... the slow one, or the one looking for a signal, or the one who messed up and moved in two directions. I also knew that my fellow alter boys (6 others) were scared shitless, and I could not predict what they were going to do. Would they stay in line or all step back? The 'ruler' was no fun, you got on your knees, put your hands straight, and basically got whipliashed all over your forarms and wrist, and if you flinched or tried to hide your hands, you got it worse.
Sadistic catholic bastards.
"Ok now," said the priest, "I am going to count to three, and then everyone who did not do this is going to take one step back if they know what's good for them. Remember, if all of you step back, or all of you don't, or any mixed amount of you do, then the ones who didn't do it are going to get 3 times the punishment of the one who did it, so for those of you who didn't do it, I strongly reccomend you stop trying to protect your friend and do what's right. God already knows who sinned and he is going to tell me anyway, so your friend is not doing you any good by hiding, because now he has committed two sins and caused his friends to sin with him by lying to me."
Would my friends all step backwards, or would they stay in line. I couldn't guess it. My idea was that it was best to just stay put, because I forsaw the half and half scenario happening, where from the intensity and fear from the priests speech, yet wanting to protect us all, different kids at different levels of fear would do different things.
"One...," the priest began counting, carefully scanning our eyes to see if anyone was looking for signals from the other boys. I made sure not to and stood looking straight.
"Two..." he continued on. The pressure was intense, here it was, it was go time.
"Three."
I stood my ground and prayed that everyone would do the same, but somewhere in my peripheral vision I saw lots of movement. Everyone...but me...had stepped back.
"Ahhh, who would have guessed to be the source of this mischief...Michael."
"Traitor bastards," I mumbled quietly under my breath.
"WHAT did you say?" said the priest.
"Nothing," I replied.
"That's what I thought," said the priest, "now follow me. The rest of you, go home, you will be punished for your first lie equally but not three times as much. Now, Michael will recieve that.
"But I did what you said and I didn't move back!" I cried.
"Only because you were confused and hoped that everone else would do the same. You didn't step forward the first time like you should have, which would have been the honorable and god like thing to do."
"Well I was scared! You beat the crap out of us, and I was just playing, I didn't mean for the ball to go flying into the donation basket! It was just an accident!" I was desperate to try and pull some logic and mercy out of him to lessen the ruler whipping I was about to get.
"The priests tools are God's tools, and they are sacred, they are not toys for you to show no respect for Michael, now follow me and accept your punishment."
"But I thought God forgives!" I said, my last plea to not get a ruler beat down.
"Not when you burn his money."
I'll never forget that line. That was when I dropped Catholicism like a bad habit or a hot potato in my hand.
I got my whippings alright, quite an intense amount, but I don't think it did what it wa supposed to, because trying to enslave someone's mind to a belief system through fear and pain is just.. well.. fucking WRONG! Not only did it get me to not believe in the catholic church anymore, but it outright opened up my eyes that soemthing very wrong was going on with the world. Tht money line stayed with me and bothered me forever, and little did I know at the time tht the Catholic church was one of the richest and most powerful institutions in the world. There is massive corruption going on in the church just as their is in our government. Good IS not prevailing, MONEY is. I decided then and there to pretty much be done with religion. still believed in good, I stood believed in helping people, I still believed in something like "the force" in Star Wars, but I did not believe anymore in formal organized religion. It was all a big sham to me, a creepy play written and acted out in real life to deceive us.
Think of how ridiculous your argument about God and the apple tree really sounds. God is the supposedly all powerful all knowing entity of sorts that already knows everything there is to know and what we will do and yada yada. Well if so, then WHY would he bother to put the pple tree there. You say because he wanetd to give us free will, well then why give us free will and then be all pissed that we use it? If God exists as he is in the bible then he is basically just fucking with us... HE should be blamned, because since he is the master super duper ultra dude, there WAS no evil until HE created the apple tree and then said TAKING from that apple tree was an evil thing to do. If we didn't know good or evil, how could we be blamned? How could we even know to trust or listen to this God dude?
The argument makes no sense, on any level, at least not to me. God creates evil, but then blames us. Sour deal I say. If God DID'T create evil, then that means there must be soemthing above God, where he pulled the concepts from.
I stll believe choice number 1 out of your three is what ti is, and I have meditated on it from every angle. Choice number 1 includes the possibility that there may be a God of us, just as he is in the bible or some alien, or maybe a large hyper intlligent zuchinni created us, but whatever created us, we could have t be part of it, and therefor we ARE the same as it, so it is not bigger, better, or greater than us, it oly ma have more knowledge and awareness than us right now. I don't believe this to be egotistical, because I care equally for all other people and things, I am truly concerned about everyone's welfair without being worried.
If anything, the whole number three choice is the most egotistical - but it is God who is being egotistical, like a way over controlling and overdminating parent. This thing supposedly creates us, in his image, from part of him, with his light and all that, and all he wants is praise praise praise and for us to worship him and tell him how great he is. Well as anybody with half a brain knows, you are supposed to give out of the kindness of giving and for the sake of giving itself, not to get praise or to expect something back... yet the God of the bibles seems to be a massive contradiction to all the things that Jesus taught.
Also, even the bible gives hints that we are all one thing, and not seperate entities and we think. In the bible, the father, the son, and the holy ghost, are all one thing, just in seperate forms.
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The reason why I said number one was egotistical because it suggest that all answers can be found in the mirror which appeals to everyones ego. So while i respect your theory as being credible I do not agree with it in some facets. For your theory to be true we would all have to be equal. The danger in that type of thinking is that if everyone is God then no one is truely accountable for anything. It is a very empowering way of thinking and I see it as very much appealing to the ego. Too carry that logic on how do you explain retarded people, or people with physical ailments are they just part of the IS and the WE chose that they IS how they IS. For me this type of thinking can tear a person into a horrible slippery slope and provides more questions then answers....We can choose how to describe life and we can choose what is important in life but if we are blind then we are blind.
Once again I have to dissagree with you and I believe you are looking at what I am saying the wrong way. You say, "if everyone is God, then no one is truly accountable for anything," but I say the OPPOSITE is true. If we finally wake up and realize that we are ALL God, then we realize that we are ALL ACCOUNTABLE for eveything and that WE can make CHANGE happen instead of waiting for GOD to do it or SATAN to do worse. The whole concept of Satan is kind of ridiculous... if there is only one God and we are but his tiny little peons who are being fooled by Satan, then Satan was made by God too, and so God should be blamed fro creating such an evil character in the first place and so therefor God is evil. It is all a loopity loop game of blame and storytelling.
You say the man in the mirror theory is appealing to the ego, but for many, the idea that THEY are responsble for what is going on in the world is TERRIFYING! It is much easier to keep on going to church every week, say a couple prayers, and toss your money into a basket and think that GOD will fix things, than to look at yourself, realize that you are god and we together all are god, and that YOU have to bear the problems of the world on your shoulders together with the rest of us - but once you have that realization, perhaps instead of tossing some money inot a basket to buy some more million dollar stained glass windows and support some more priests who are raping little boys, you will take that money, and go buy some food and get your ass to a homless shelter and start actually doing something to help change the situation, instead of waiting for GOD to do it.
People think they are being charitable when they give a chunk of their money away and sure, money does help, but writing a check is not charity, you have got to get ito the trenches and make a difference, you have got to change your entire way of thinking and realize that YOU ARE accountable and everything you do, everything you think, and every action you take DOES make a difference on the entire world. This is not about egotism, or... wow I am so great, I am God look at me! This is empowerment that you are LIGHT and good if you so choose and evil and dark if you so choose. A blind man may be blind but he can see things that many people with perfect vision can't because that blindness might have taught him something depending on how he treated it and his attitude. Plus, his blindness is not permanent, nothing is permant except change and being. No one, no force, and nothing can ever destroy you no matter how evil you might perceive it to be, for it is no greater or no lesser than you, even though it may be more powerful or forceful at the time.
That being said, let me add this:
Upon coming to the realization that we all ARE the gods that we search for, I don't think we should enter into that with worry or a great burden. Life should be light, life should be joyous. You can do no good for others if you are in a knot of worry. Suffering, worry, and depression and this predator lifestyle we are in have their uses for teaching us a great many things, but one should not stay in those states or worry about them, one should try to be as happy as possible while being as giving and as thankful as possible, and with that, we can create the paradise that we all wish for, a paradise based on love, kindness, & creativity.
Word to your mother,
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I respect your right to believe in religion and choose door number three of your theories, but believe me, I have reflected much on it, and while it might be true (some alien COULD be the God of our Bible), I don't think it would be the end answer. I consider myself highly spiritual but not religious. I also consider myself a very good person in that I always try to help others and I do whatever I can to stop injustice and evil, but I also try not to let those things worry me so much anymore that they consume my life. I was raised roman catholic and attended catholic church and did all the catholic rites and was made to attend sunday school and I was even an alter boy for two days until I pretended I was Conan the Barbarian in the church one day with the incense burner that the priest uses (to me, it was Conan's mace) and I started flailing it around and doing my arnold impression for the other alter boys, when the little ball at the end of the chain that holds the burning insence flew off, about 50 feet up into the air, and then promptly landed in a collection basket and set the donations on fire.
The priest, who was a cigarette smoking, porn watching, violent bitch slap you if you did something wrong type of guy, looked over all of us alter boys and dedmanded whoever did this to step forward.
I stood silent and in line with the other alter boys. United we stood. These were my buddies, and if none of us waivered, the punishment would not be as bad as if he found out it was me who did it.
"I see that you are trying to unite," said the priest," and I find that a good thing, but I will find out who did this, and now, because you are trying to pull some scheme over me and you are ALL disobeying me, the ones who DID not do it are going to get 3 times the punishment of the one who did it, and believe me, I will find out who did it if it takes me all day. So this is your last chance. I am now going to ask the ones who didn't do it to step backwards, and if all of you stand where you are, or all of you step backwards, you are all going to get the ruler for 15 minutes straight, and then we will continue."
"Tricky," I thought to myself. This guy was a real sneaky sadistic bastard. Now I had to figure out, without giving any signals of fear away (and believe me, I was loaded with fear) whether to stand firm in the line as I was, or if I should step backwards. I knew that looking for a signal from any of the other alter boys would ruin me, because that was what the priest was looking for...the slow one, the one who hesitates, the one looking for a signal, or the one who messes up and moves in two directions. I also knew that my fellow alter boys (6 others) were scared shitless, and I could not predict what they were going to do. Would they stay in line or all step back? The 'ruler' was no fun. You had to get on your knees, put your hands straight onto a table, and basically get the shit beat out of your forarms and wrist with a long wooden ruler, and if you flinched or tried to hide your hands or pull them away, you got it even worse right in the face, but you shouldn't cry, because it was all because God loves you.
Sadistic catholic bastards.
"Ok now," said the priest, "I am going to count to three, and then everyone who did not do this is going to take one step back if they know what's good for them. Remember, if all of you step back, or all of you don't, or any mixed amount of you do, then the ones who didn't do it are going to get 3 times the punishment of the one who did it, so for those of you who didn't do it, I strongly recommend you stop trying to protect your friend and do what's right. God already knows who sinned and he is going to tell me anyway, so your friend is not doing you any good by hiding, because now he has committed two sins and caused his friends to sin with him by lying to me."
Would my friends all step backwards, or would they stay in line? I couldn't guess it. My idea was that it was best to just stay put, because I forsaw the half and half scenario happening, where from the intensity and fear from the priests speech, yet wanting to protect us all, different kids at different levels of fear would do different things and either step back or stay put in a mixed amount.
"One...," the priest began counting, carefully scanning our eyes to see if anyone was looking for signals from the other boys. I made sure not to and stood looking straight.
"Two..." he continued on. The pressure was intense, here it was, it was go time.
"Three."
I stood my ground and prayed that everyone would do the same, but somewhere in my peripheral vision I saw lots of movement. Everyone...but me...had stepped back.
"Ahhh, what a surprise. I should have known who was the source of this mischief," said the priest,"mischievous little Michael, as usual."
I was done for.
"Traitor bastards," I mumbled quietly under my breath.
"WHAT did you say?" said the priest.
"Nothing," I replied.
"That's what I thought," said the priest, "now follow me. The rest of you, go home, you will be punished for your first lie equally but not three times as much. Now, Michael will receive that punishment.
"But I did what you said and I didn't move back!" I cried.
"Only because you were confused and hoped that everone else would do the same. You didn't step forward the first time like you should have, which would have been the honorable and God like thing to do."
"Well I was scared! You beat the crap out of us, and I was just playing, I didn't mean for the ball to go flying into the donation basket! It was just an accident!" I was desperate to try and pull some logic and mercy out of him to lessen the ruler whipping I was about to get.
"The priest's tools are God's tools, and they are sacred, they are not toys for you to show no respect for Michael, now follow me and accept your punishment."
"But I thought God forgives!" I said, my last plea to not get a ruler beat down.
"Not when you burn his money."
I'll never forget that line that father whateverhisnamewas said. That was when I dropped catholicism like a bad habit or a hot potato in my hand.
I got my whippings alright, quite an intense amount, but I don't think it did what it was supposed to, because trying to enslave someone's mind to a belief system through fear and pain is just...well...fucking WRONG! Not only did it get me to not believe in the catholic church anymore, but it outright opened up my eyes that something very, very wrong was going on with the world. That money line truly bothered me and has stayed with me, and little did I know at the time that the catholic church was one of the richest and most powerful institutions in the world. There is massive corruption going on in the church just as there is in our government. Power and money in the wrong hands corrupt, and the catholic church's hands are the wrong hands. Good IS not prevailing, MONEY is. I decided then and there to pretty much be done with religion. This is not at ALL to say that I went evil or started worshipping satan or any of that crap, that's a load of crap too. Even after getting beat down for over 45 minutes with a ruler by a priest, I still believed in good, probably more than ever. I still believed in helping people, and I still believed in something like "the force" in Star Wars, and that you must use it for good, but I did not believe anymore in formal organized religion, at least not the catholic church versio of it. It was all a big sham to me, a creepy play written and acted out in real life to deceive us.
Think of how ridiculous your argument about God and the apple tree really sounds if looked at from multiple angles. God is the supposedly all powerful and all knowing entity of sorts that already knows everything there is to know and what we will do and yada yada. Well if so, then WHY would he bother to put the apple tree there if he KNEW what was going to happen? You say because he wanted to give us free will, but this argument has another two problems; Numebr 1, if he already knows what the outcome is and what we are all going to do, did we or do we REALLY ever have free will then? Number 2, why give us free will and then be all pissed that we use it? If God exists as he is described in the bible, then he is basically just an egomaniac who is fucking with us for his own enjoyment. HE should be blamed, because since he is the super duper master ultra higher intelligence creator of it all, how could it possibly be OUR fault? The two things don't go together. There WAS no evil until HE created us, HE created the apple tree, and then said TAKING from that apple tree was an evil thing to do. If we didn't know good or evil, how could we be blamed? How could we even know to trust or listen to this God dude?
The argument makes no sense, on any level, at least not to me. God creates evil, but then blames us. Sour deal I say. If God DIDN'T create evil, then that also makes God - as the top dog of us all concept false, because that means there must be something above God, where he pulled his concepts from, and that brings us back to the dilemma of choice number 3 as the true answer by itself - because if God didn't create evil, and he got it from somewhere else, then something must have created God, his universe, and his rules and concpets.
I stll believe choice number 1 out of your three is what the answer is, and I have meditated on it from every angle. Choice number 1 includes the possibility that there may be a God of us, just as he is in the bible or some alien, or maybe a large hyper intlligent zuchinni created us, but whatever created us, we would have to be a part of it and come from it, and therefor we ARE the same as it, so it is not bigger, better, or greater than us, it only may have more knowledge and awareness than us right now.
Two humans can create a child, and the child should have respect for its parents of course IF its parents are good. If your parents are murderers and you have to jail them, it doesn't mean you don't respect or love them, you just had to do the right thing. Also, just because your parents had you does make them more important than you, only more aware than you or smarter than you for a time, and many times many children outpass their parents in intelligence, awareness, and knowledge at some point. This doesn't always happen if you have very sharp and active parents who never stopped learning or being child like.
I also don't see any of it as egotistical, because I care equally for all other people and things just as I care for myself. This does not mean I have to get caught up in other people's mental issues. I am truly concerned about everyone's welfair without being worried.
If anything, the whole number three choice is the most egotistical - but it is God who is being egotistical, like a waaaaaay over controlling and overdominating parent. This thing supposedly creates us, in his image, from part of him, with his light and all that, and all he wants us to do is praise praise praise him and for us to worship him and tell him how great he is and not to question anything? Sounds a little narcissistic to me. As anybody with half a brain knows, you are supposed to give out of the kindness of your heart and for the sake of giving itself, not to get praise or to expect something back...yet the God of the bible seems to be a massive egomaniac and a contradiction to all the things that his supposed son Jesus taught. Wait.. could this be another case of the son surpassing the father's intelligence? Things that make you go hmmm.
Also, even the bible gives hints that we are all one thing, and not seperate entities as we think. In the bible, the father, the son, and the holy ghost, are all one thing, just in seperate forms.
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The reason why I said number one was egotistical because it suggest that all answers can be found in the mirror which appeals to everyones ego. So while i respect your theory as being credible I do not agree with it in some facets. For your theory to be true we would all have to be equal. The danger in that type of thinking is that if everyone is God then no one is truely accountable for anything. It is a very empowering way of thinking and I see it as very much appealing to the ego. Too carry that logic on how do you explain retarded people, or people with physical ailments are they just part of the IS and the WE chose that they IS how they IS. For me this type of thinking can tear a person into a horrible slippery slope and provides more questions then answers....We can choose how to describe life and we can choose what is important in life but if we are blind then we are blind.
Once again I have to dissagree with you and I believe you are looking at what I am saying the wrong way. You say, "if everyone is God, then no one is truly accountable for anything," but I say the OPPOSITE is true. If we finally wake up and realize that we are ALL God, then we realize that we are ALL ACCOUNTABLE for eveything and that WE can make CHANGE happen instead of waiting for GOD to do it or SATAN to do worse.
The whole concept of Satan is kind of ridiculous. If there is only one God and we are but his tiny little peons who are being fooled by Satan, then Satan was made by God too, and so God should be blamed for creating such an evil character in the first place and so therefor God is evil. It is all a loopity loop game of blame and storytelling.
You say the man in the mirror theory is appealing to the ego, but for many, the idea that THEY are responsble for what is going on in the world is TERRIFYING! It is much easier to keep on going to church every week, say a couple of prayers, and toss your money into a basket and then look the other way and think that GOD is going to fix things, than to look at yourself, realize that you are God and we together all are God, and that YOU have to bear the problems of the world on your shoulders together with the rest of us - but once you have that realization, perhaps instead of tossing some money into a basket to buy some more million dollar stained glass windows and support some more priests who are raping little boys, you will take that money, and go buy some food and get your ass to a homless shelter and start actually doing something to help change the situation, instead of waiting for GOD to do it.
People think they are being charitable when they give a chunk of their money away and sure, money does help, but writing a check is not charity. You have got to get into the trenches and make a difference. You have got to change your entire way of thinking and realize that YOU ARE accountable, and that everything you do, and everything you think, and every action you take DOES make a difference on the entire world! This is not about egotism, or... wow I am so great, I am God look at me! Even though there is nothing wrong with that if done for good, we are all splendid creations that should marvel at ourselves. This is empowerment that you are LIGHT and good if you so choose and evil and dark if you so choose.
A blind man may be blind but he can see things that many people with perfect vision can't see because his blindness might have taught him something depending on how he treated it and his attitude. Plus, his blindness is not permanent, nothing is permant except change and being. No one, no force, and nothing can ever destroy you no matter how evil you might perceive it to be, for it is no greater or no lesser than you, even though it may seem more powerful or forceful than at the time, because you may not be at the same stage or state as it. Everyone progresses at their own pace throug their own story, yet we share a common stage and set - this universe and the earth. At least while we are alive and here.
That being said, let me add this:
Upon coming to the realization that we all OUR the Gods that we search for, I don't think we should enter into that with worry or a great burden. Life should be light, life should be joyous. You can do no good for others if you are in a knot of worry. Suffering, worry, and depression and this predator lifestyle we are in have their uses for teaching us a great many things, but one should not stay in those states or worry about them for long periods of time. One should try to be as happy as possible while being as giving as possible, and create the paradise that we all wish for, a paradise based on love, kindness, & creativity.
Word to your mother,
- Blackout
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This is from the What the Bleep Do We Know film website
I Create My Day
The most often referenced interview in the film is Dr. Joe Dispenza's comments on creating his day. In response to the numerous requests, the following is the transcript of that part of the interview.
"I wake up in the morning and I consciously create my day the way I want it to happen. Now sometimes, because my mind is examining all the things that I need to get done, it takes me a little bit to settle down and get to the point of where I'm actually intentionally creating my day. But here's the thing: When I create my day and out of nowhere little things happen that are so unexplainable, I know that they are the process or the result of my creation. And the more I do that, the more I build a neural net in my brain that I accept that that's possible. (This) gives me the power and the incentive to do it the next day.
"So if we're consciously designing our destiny, and if we're consciously from a spiritual standpoint throwing in with the idea that our thoughts can affect our reality or affect our life -- because reality equals life -- then I have this little pact that I have when I create my day. I say, 'I'm taking this time to create my day and I'm infecting the quantum field. Now if (it) is in fact the observer's watching me the whole time that I'm doing this and there is a spiritual aspect to myself, then show me a sign today that you paid attention to any one of these things that I created, and bring them in a way that I won't expect, so I'm as surprised at my ability to be able to experience these things. And make it so that I have no doubt that it's come from you,' and so I live my life, in a sense, all day long thinking about being a genius or thinking about being the glory and the power of God or thinking about being unconditional love.
"I'll use living as a genius, for example. And as I do that during parts of the day, I'll have thoughts that are so amazing, that cause a chill in my physical body, that have come from nowhere. But then I remember that that thought has an associated energy that's produced an effect in my physical body. Now that's a subjective experience, but the truth is is that I don't think that unless I was creating my day to have unlimited thought, that that thought would come."
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It sucks you had a bad experience with a priest...I thought for a second it was gonna be one of "those" alterboy stories and was twisting in my chair ![[Frown]](frown.gif) Anyways something like that really can open your eyes to injustice and evil. YES I SAY EVIL. A pastor or priest is a sheperd. He is actually a servant to these people. The sheep should know and love his voice, they follow him because they trust him and there is no reason to fear him. He keeps them fed(spiritually) and looks after there wellbeing. He actually loses sleep if one of them is missing. Now god says there wolves that nibble at a flock and there lions that come to devour the whole flock. The man you described was a nibbler. Slowly taking money from, and probably taking advantage of the flock. Why else would he be so angry that you accidentally burned "God's" money. Could not God create his own money if he needed it? WHICH HE DOESNT NEED IT! In the old days Sacrifice of animals was the original "donations" and those were burnt offerings...Had the priest been aware he would have realized you were just offering an old school sacrifice
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Think of how ridiculous your argument about God and the apple tree really sounds if looked at from multiple angles. God is the supposedly all powerful and all knowing entity of sorts that already knows everything there is to know and what we will do and yada yada. Well if so, then WHY would he bother to put the apple tree there if he KNEW what was going to happen?
I agree that if looked at from that angle it does not make sense. I can understand how it would be a logical fallacy for a loving God to do that. So let me explain how I feel about this. I do not believe God sees in the future. This is a theory that people have come up with that the future is already written down somewhere...when in fact it is not. The bible never actually suggest he can see in the future. Actually tho God can predict something to happen and then actually cause it to happen.
Much like creative realization he can set a goal and then put his mind to it and then it will happen exactly as he set to make it happen. I believe we just like God have that ability but to a much smaller extent. That is why I can agree with you on many levels and see the wisdom in what you are saying.
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Number 2, why give us free will and then be all pissed that we use it? If God exists as he is described in the bible, then he is basically just an egomaniac who is fucking with us for his own enjoyment. HE should be blamed, because since he is the super duper master ultra higher intelligence creator of it all, how could it possibly be OUR fault? The two things don't go together. There WAS no evil until HE created us, HE created the apple tree, and then said TAKING from that apple tree was an evil thing to do. If we didn't know good or evil, how could we be blamed? How could we even know to trust or listen to this God dude?
God did not create EVIL. EVIL is a concept..it was "created" as a way for us to distinguish right from wrong. What God did create are standards that he required from men and in return they receive a free gift of life. Back then it was real simple and straight forward. DONT EAT FROM MY TREE ALL THE OTHER THINGS I PROVIDED ARE YOURS FREELY JUST DONT TOUCH OR EAT MY ONE TREE I WANT FOR MYSELF. Does that sound selfish? Now today it is much more complicated so we need a concept to be able to understand what is going on with the universe and why things feel wrong at times. We call it EVIL.
God/jesus/righteous ones are called light and evil/evildoers are related to darkness. This is a perfect description since darknes/evil is really just the absence of light/good/god/love. So you see darkness and evil "exist" only to show that there is a difference with the way people are living and that we are living in a state that God did not intend for us. This is why God relates MISGUIDING PRIEST and there followers as the BLIND LEADING THE BLIND! They are in darkness. So you see it is out of love that he gave us free will and out of love that he can forgive us for disobeying him. He will forgive both the rightous and the unrighteous as the scriptures say.
Ok im going on a ramble again lemme respond to something else you said.
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It is much easier to keep on going to church every week, say a couple of prayers, and toss your money into a basket and then look the other way and think that GOD is going to fix things, than to look at yourself, realize that you are God and we together all are God, and that YOU have to bear the problems of the world on your shoulders together with the rest of us - but once you have that realization, perhaps instead of tossing some money into a basket to buy some more million dollar stained glass windows and support some more priests who are raping little boys, you will take that money, and go buy some food and get your ass to a homless shelter and start actually doing something to help change the situation, instead of waiting for GOD to do it.
People who are doing what you are saying and are are not loving and therefore do not know love. Love is God. My Grandpa was a very religious man and he told me this. "Your time and effort are the most important thing you can give to someone." Money is a lazy way of doing it. Jesus physically threw the moneychangers and other merchants who were talking advantage of the flock. Hypocrisy in religion was widespread back then! Jesus spoke out against these people and showed that many of the jewish leaders were making there own rules and actually did not know God. Bad religion! NO NO NO...In fact jesus was killed for the crime of Blasphemey. Because he claimed to be Gods son. How more hypocritical can you get? So this same agruement that people within religion may not all be 100 percent righteuos didnt hold up for jesus and shouldnt hold up for us. Instead he knew god personally and invited everyone to come and enjoy his company. He offers everyone a free gift of life.
Jesus has already paid the admission fee for all of mankind by dying. He proved that man could completely obey god and live perfectly without choosing to disobey. God rewarded Jesus and spoke approvingly of him in public. As I am sure he will reward all of us who do our best...once this saga is over.
Let me conclude with this. No one has ever been able to make themselves live longer by worrying. Thinking positive is good and our will as humans is very strong. Jesus said that someone with faith the size of a mustard seed could actually move mountains! However there will always be one will(maybe more) that is stronger then our ability to "create". If you think about it we really cannot create but only manipulate. God can create. He can give life...Only we can choose to accept it. That is our free will. SO choose wisely!
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Sorry brother, but I still just don't agree with you. I believe we ALL can create, not just manipulate. Perhaps we are left to manipulate what is here for a time but I believe we all can evntually rise up above it. I also don't at all like the theory of being a sheep who needs a shepard to lead me. Perahps this is because I am a very individual person and have a very strong sense of individuality while still understanding that I am part of the ALL that IS.
I like Jesus more than the God theory... I think Jesus was real, and God may be real, but I still contend he is not the final it and answer.... he may be the creator of this dimension that we are in, but WHY should he be more important than any individual one of us? Why are we all not Jesus? We all must realize our personal Jesus inside of us (a certain Depeche Mode song comes to mind). We all have that ability.
I have more to say on this but my sister is suicidal right now so I am off to save her.
I'll be back later.
- Blackout
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To Elfy:
I just saw "What the Bleep Do We Know?"
And...
I believe it to be the single greatest thing I have ever seen in my existaece up to this point. It culminates everything I have been experiencing and writing about and talking about and philosophising about in a concrete film backed by SCIENTISTS of quantum physics.
This movie has just furthered along my re-evolution and I am absolutely blown away. This movie is me, this movie is how I think, so if it's all fake, a cult, a sham, bullshit, whatever... I don't care... I'm signing up. I don't see how someone forms a cult that is not centered on them, but is centered on YOU, so I don't think it is that, I think this is it. The most fucking spectacular thing I have ever seen! I already saw it before I saw it, and it just let me know that other people are there and with me, and that feels good.
Look out baby because I'm inventing some new colors.
- Blackout
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You are not your job, your titles, your possessions, your degrees, your lovers, your relationships, your place of residence, your social security number, your ID, your bills, your worries, your bank account, your age or your body. You are the timeless being that created & perceives itself through those things, and you have the power to play or not play that game. When someone asks me "what do you do?" looking for some title to pin me down, I laugh and say "EVERYTHING!" - Blackout
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Ah Michael - I knew that you would love that movie. It is right up your alley (and mine as well). Explore deeper into the website and discover some neat things if you haven't already. There are also books for purchase on the website.
And yes, ignore the cultish backround - they are great theories.
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Fuck theories. I believe.
I am manifesting.
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To the great mother.
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Blackout you have a lot of good ideas...you ever considered writing a play, short story or book that infuses some of the creative manifestation into its storyline? I think if kept in the right tone this could make for some very good writing material.
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Actually, before the destruction and parting of ways from base camp last house also known as "THE HAT HOUSE", and my subsequent last depression, I had a stage show project in the works that icorporated many of these ideas and played with the idea of God, Satan, Angels, Good, Evil, Alternate ways of thinking and Religion in general. Also, when I say last depression, I am using the word last in two ways...meaning both that it was the last one I had as in the most recent one, and in it the sense that it will be the last one I have as in NO MORE of that shit! I am done with depression. Three great big ones throughout my life are enough, and I think I get it now. This is not to say that things won't come along that may make me terribly sad, but I have realized the great foolish tapes that I have been playing over and over in my head that have self sabotaged me, and I have thrown them in the garbage.
Listen to the Sunday Morning Easter special. It incorporated a little bit of what I wanted to do within the stage show. Warning, leave your religious ideas at the door and don't take anything seriously, also, don't play it with kids around as it is very mature adult material.
I wanted a loose storyline about good and evil being kind of silly and that they really were one and the same, running through the enitre show that would incorporate improv, sketches, music, audiance participation, along with pre recorded films and also interactive film sequences. It was quite a huge idea for one person to pull off and one of my weak areas, as I posted in the start of this thread, was in organization and actual hard core action taking and truly manifesting my dreams and visions.
Millions of ideas came like lighting and I could see exactly what I wanted the finished show to be, but I wasn't sure how the hell to actually go about making that happen. Many people said the show was too big in scale and impossible to pull off without having a huge budget and staff, which in the Fort Lauderdale area is not very practical. I dissagreed though, I didn't and still don't think the idea was or is too big, I don't think any idea is, I just don't think I went about it correctly and rather than do some half assed lamo attempt, I put the project to the side for a while. I promise you, you WILL be seeing a Blackout's Box LIVE on stage when the time is right.
I have been writing a lot more often and let me just tell you, that that is step number one to anyone who wants to achieve things. The mere act of writing this post has put more power behind my efforts. I also have a plan to some day collect the best writing from these forums and put it out as an actual material book, and yes, I would like to write a few books myself and have been writing a long form kind of autobiography for some time.
I know, many times, my writing, grammer and spelling look atrocious, and that is because I type at such an incredibly fast rate to keep up with the ideas that I am having, that I pay little attention to the keyboard and often make tons of mistakes. I find it is beter to write fast and then come back and clean up after the ideas are out, than to write carefully and slow, and perhaps miss some things because your brain chanegs gear. I also switch back and forth from a laptop with a tiny little keyboard to a full sized keyboard in my studio, and I can't tell you the tricks that plays on me and my fingers.
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While skeptics likes to debunk most things, I found this very wonderful passage that I use to explain to people that you have miraculous powers of will controlling matter that you take for granted:
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Of course, the beauty and magic of nature has nothing to do with magick. There is the magic of the birth of a healthy child; the magic of true love. There is the magic of getting out of bed in the morning through an act of will. Unfortunately, this only seems to be magic to those who do not have this power. Those of us who can direct our bodies through acts of will too often take this power for granted. We fail to see the wondrousness of simple things, like wiping the sweat from one's brow. We take for granted the act of opening our eyes to feast on the sublimity of glaciers and oceans or the beauty of sunsets or meadows of wild flowers. These are truly magical deeds and, when contemplated, hold enough wonder to fill universes. But for many, it seems, such real magic will never be enough.
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I am getting into Westra's stuff and it is good. I will post the full interview with him soon as well as a bnch of new material.
Check this out:
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Holographic Matter - ICR 18
I believe the holograms (images) we create electromagnetically with our
thoughts are literally made of matter! The matter is more fine and can
usually not be seen with our physical eyes.
However, it is real. The matter can be called incipient (beginning) matter.
Any structure made of this fine matter will try to reproduce itself in physical
form, or denser matter. The incipient matter image will seek to manifest
in the physical world.
Christopher
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Ok, the full 40 minutes interview with Christopher Westra from http://icreatereality.com is up.
Enjoy. It was certainly interesting for me and I think Christopher is a very cool guy, you can here it in his voice. He sounds like a young teen or 20 year old. I believe he is 38.
He is not some psydo quack, he has an actual degree and background in psychology and worked in the field treating patients and inmates at an actual prison for some time when he discovered that writing was a first step in manifestation, and as you become more aware, you get what you want in life by consciously focusing on what you want - which creates actual matter and energy forms and changes in the universe, in stead of what you DON'T want, or what you're AFRAID will happen INSTEAD of what you want.
Basically, give your fears no brain cycles, and give all of your time to what you want, and then manifest it, don't doubt it for a second,and watch how the network of the universe sends the people you need and the money your way as you get more creative, open minded, action minded, and then filled with reinforcing belief as you see it happen.
This is just a 40 minute segment out of a huge amount of time I was on the phone with him. I have been reading through his books and they are pretty amazing and quite frankly work. I am trying to combine them along with The Science of Getting Rich and apply controlled and focused belief and control of my thought at most times.
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Speaking of holograms:
http://www.inphase-tech.com/media/inthebox_web.wmv
Holy crap!
http://www.inphase-tech.com/media/inphase_promo.mov
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In regards to the Christopher Westra interview:
I myself watched "I Heart the Huckabees" & loved it. Then I saw "What the Bleep do We Know Anyway?". One of my very favorite movies is "What Dreams May Come." YOU mentioned all three in your interview which is pretty awesome.
Thomas Edison (w the ball), Astral projection, astrology, Wayne Dyer. . . I don't find a lot of people who know as much as I do about all these & many more so I enjoyed your interview. You have an interesting mind.
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Thank you Bel!
For everyone, Bel is someone who has come to the Box through the myspace phenomenon. Please welcome her with some spiritual gift baskets and chocolate rabbits and strawberry jam. I think that will suit her.
You are a Beauty Bel, and I hope you will stick around and enter discussions with us.
Love, Kindness, & Creativity Rules Enternally,
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You are not your job, your titles, your possessions, your degrees, your lovers, your relationships, your place of residence, your social security number, your ID, your bills, your worries, your bank account, your age or your body. You are the timeless being that created & perceives itself through those things, and you have the power to play or not play that game. When someone asks me "what do you do?" looking for some title to pin me down, I laugh and say "EVERYTHING!" - Blackout
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Check this out when you want to get more into the details. http:\\www.beyondtheordinary.net
Webcast radio with a great archive and lots of very interesting guests!
Her you will find a lot of stuff that will fry your brain. I love Joe Dispenza (from What the bleep) how he explins the functioning of the brain. It is a trip and changes your view of life.
hey hey hey smoke weed every day!
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Follow your peace
Living from the core brings about the old saying inch by inch life is a cinch, yard by yard it’s very hard. The further you live from the core the harder life appears to be. It is the difference between placing a dart in a dart board and throwing a dart at a dart board. The further you are away from the core the more out of control your life appears to be.
I am a Christian
Good-if that is where you are taken
What are you?
Nothing
What are your beliefs?
Nothing
You must believe Jesus is Lord
You already believe this; there is no need for me.
You must believe in something?
Belief is a belief-it doesn’t have any substance. It can be used as a kick in the pants to investigate the belief further. And to come to some conclusion on whether there is any truth or use for it.
I believe this truth, the Bible is truth more and more of the history is becoming verified.
History is another thing and no relation to the actual truth.
Beliefs are painful and very difficult to defend.
Jesus died for me, Jesus is God.
If you do insist, all I can say is Jesus lives inside you go rest with him and be aware.
Is that all? What about the Bible?
That is all.
Beliefs
What is a belief?
It seems only to have an inclination towards an idea that you don’t try and find some facts to back this up. Although the belief is not a fact it is backed up by some theories that within these theories there is usually some basis for fact. After a while the belief starts to be thought of as a fact. Although a fact it is not. It may have some comforting ability or conversely it may ruin your life.
Beliefs only seem to stay in circulation with constant repetition. A belief needs feeding otherwise it dies; the world has a feeding process through temples, churches, TV, radio, movies and within these confines there is a continuous repetition. Each belief where initially introduced needs a network to keep it alive. So belief is only as good as its supporting material or how often you are subjected to it.
So why do we believe?
Is just another operation of that which we are. A part of this thing called life.
So what is the use of believing?
It definitely has initial value in that the possibility with in this universe has surfaced and need some investigation. The negative side is that we hang onto a belief and never investigate any further. Even so, none of this really matters.
What is the meaning of life?
Life is its own meaning. If you ask yourself what is more important than living the answer will come “nothing.” To live unrestricted and to be doing what is conducive to the body mind is the meaning of life.
The transfer from ego to “the true that which are” can be painful when all your attachments (from emotional turbulence that circulates within your system) are released at one time through the spine up into the brain and out. This can cause headaches fever and joints and muscle pain. If you have already realized that the person you believe you were can do nothing and life lives you. And there is no pain, just a sudden realization. This within itself releases all unrest much more efficiently than doing any kind of sadhana or spiritual practice. There is a realization that it doesn’t matter because life lives itself. And this is also an operation of the real real real you.
With this sudden realization you are open, everything passes through. There is no grabbing, no trying just being that which you truly are. It will happen if you are there or not. The difference is in one case you believe you are the architect and in the other, it just happens. Nothing changes only that which you identify with and this simple act is all that is needed. Insight into that which you are and understanding that which you think you are is just an idea. “It doesn’t matter” can lead you to that which you are, at least maybe the doorway. “If you have an issue here is a tissue”.
It has long been known that breath and mind go together. In that if you regulate your breath it will, to some degree, regulate or calm the mind. So initially regulating breath to calm the mind is a good start. But a more refined effort which could be called step two, is to become aware of the eyes and how they move and change focus in relation to the movements of thoughts.
Sadhana 1
Note: as a Sadhana (or regular practice) allows you to get a glimpse of that which you are.
A: sit comfortably with back straight. Sit as each vertebra is allowed to fall one on top of each other. It is sometimes useful to sit with the base of your spine on a cushion. Become aware of your breath as it is inhaled and exhale. Let it breathe you, don’t touch or manipulate the breath, just feel or use any of your other senses to be aware of the breath breathing you.
B:when you are comfortable with a now gaze into space or a white wall or whatever else is comfortable. With this gaze be aware of the eyes themselves. If your eyes are shifting around you will also realized the turbulence within the body and mind. The shifting of the eyes is directly related to the emotional turbulence in the body. By opening, relaxing and letting it happen, the turbulence is let free and the eyes will calm along with the mind. Surrender completely and you are there. Nowhere.
From personal experience there is a cycle to living from the core. First you get glimpses which you think nothing of, mainly because you are looking for some peak experience like a hyper bliss. This is not it, bliss has to increase every day to be noticeable and that can only lead to the body exploding. As with most people I looked in the wrong places and didn’t know I already had the fish as I still continued to fish. After a while there is an inner realization that the calm or suchness is the only real liberation.
It seems that the emotional barnacles escape more easily through the spine. This is the core or in Sanskrit susumna “the pathway to God”. Kundalini and Shakti Pat are all functions of this energy rising through the spine. It is the core; the bamboo of Chan Buddhism and where the holy rivers of Ganges, Jordan flow. Where the vibration of the energy expelling is the sabda, nada, om or holy spirit “amen.” When this holy vibration leaves you, you are at left with that which you are. The veil has been lifted.
You may hear bells, gongs or harps; this is just the effect of energy leaving the body and you inturning and returning back to what you are. Kundalini is just an energy source that seems to be able to efficiently supply the parts of the body. It is located at the base of the spine. The danger of actuating the kundalini is that we will be inundated with this energy. This extra energy will also amplify any emotional problems that could be lurking, making life quite unbearable at the time.
Nothing matters for nothing is the only thing that matters.
The opening of the spinal channels seems to clear thinking which would seem to be a direct product of the emotional barnacles being cleared or seemingly cleared from the system. For all this to happen, a single insight is needed.
It is not necessary to go to a monastery or to perform a sadhana, for many years to have an insight, but to understand what this insight is and not just brush it off. It may mean spending some time on the so-called spiritual path then again it may not. It is all just the workings of that which you are.
If you imagine that you are the face of a piece of paper; the universe is projected from this paper and also is cognized or aware from this. Now to know that which you are, you simply have to fold of the paper in the middle and place together face-to-face. At this point you are only that which you are.
If there is something or there is nothing, it is all the same. The latter is the space that the former is to fill. To say I am nothing because this is what I am before I am born or after I die. Or to say I am something that is the point in between, is actually saying the same thing. This is all distortion on that which you are which is not a thing that can be written about and not a thing that can be sensed, you are just that. This is not even a thing you can be because this also involves you doing something. It is not it, she or he. It is just suchness with no action.
Just as you produce a distinctive body odour that you have no control over. The universe is produced (seemingly) from that which you are. And this odour is reported back to the senses as a thing that is separate from what we think we are. This odour is given the concept of a certain smell.
Why at times does nervousness arise when meeting new people? This cannot happen when the realization that there is only one thing and that one thing is a projection from nothing. The nervousness arises from the second guessing and analyzing of pre-existing notions. These notions surface at opportune times in our lives apparently activated by an action or reaction. Even so, when the basic minimum is known life is broken down into such small pieces, that notions disappear. If there is a question it is what am I? And when that question can also be discarded it will be that.
The headless way is experienced or not experienced from the perspective of having no head. To most it is a completely obvious that each and everyone has a head. In reality I don’t have one. For me there is just a field of view from which scenes are placed. Right here I don’t have a head there is a reflection which is seen in the mirror at some distance from me. I can feel this hard lumpy thing but again it does not resemble a head. From my perspective I don’t have a head from your perspective I do.
Conscious, subconscious, superconscious are inclusive of consciousness. Everything is consciousness and that which you are is not. That which you are cognizes and emanates everything.
All yoga focuses on the spine and most revered techniques for obtaining this thing called moksha are also focused on the spine.
The actions we perform are actions to lower the veil called us or me or I or we. So there is a conflict of interest here. These “secret” techniques will only “help” the small number of people. And those people that are helped are only helped as a function of living. Just as someone who wins a lottery is just a function of living. The glimpses of that which you are, as with any thing else, hinder or help with the’ smoothness’ of life.
Inturning reverses the direction of our energies. Where we have our attention is where our energy goes, thus invigorating that which we are focused on.
Major techniques:
All techniques I give have been used for hundreds if not thousands of years. There is a different spin and my way of explaining the happenings but it is all been done before. It’s just part of this individual mind/body, therefore the experience will differ for each.
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Focus behind You through the Spine and Feel the Energy Coursing through and Out Of the Spine.
Why Sit up Straight?
Sitting up straight allows a body to flow naturally, energy is one get stuck they will just flow out. Keeping your attention on the spine will allow the emotional knots to move from the surface of the body into the hollow of the spine. They now have a chance to escape. After a while the spine will feel hollow and your attention will be exactly along its’center. This is like splitting the body into two thus forming a balanced, the free flowing body. The hollowness then works up into the head seemingly cooling the brain (coolheaded). All energies are now focused away from the noisy vibrating body and mind. Now the coolness may trickle down your forehead chest and stomach, completely splitting you into two. Total balance on the middle ground. You realize the core of what you are. With no interruptions from your psychosomatic system. You are now pure awareness. With continued attention, you will be that which you are ( attention folded on to attention); no-thing , but the root, the base, the dot that everything is sitting on. But this is no-thing. It doesn’t change and it is the sanest “event” in your life.
In this technique we are just reversing our normal attention. Moksha occurs when all daily chores are performed knowingly from the root.
HEADACHES:
Most headaches are caused by energy blocks. Trapped energies in muscles causing them to harden and push on nerves, resulting in pain. Many “spiritual” exercises are creators of the headache. To alleviate this you must have good posture. Have straight back even lean back when you sit. Wiggle your butt side to side to align each vertebrae one on top of each other. Even tilt your head back slightly. Pile some pillows on your lap and rest your arms on them; this will help keep your back straight and your body comfortable.
NOTE: with attention you can feel the spine. All energies can be brought in so that the body is totally lifeless. Thus removing all distractions as well as the veil. The splitting of the body and brain balances the system and gives the free flow of effect.
So why do we do techniques?
Some perform them for a while and then give up. Some perform them for a long while and the effect they are looking for does not materialize. And then again, for the small few it seems to work. It’s all down to personality (genes and environment).
Even so if we look even deeper the experience search for, may happen easily one day and not the next. This seems to be as a result of the mindset. And mindset is intertwined with the balancing of the energies. Basically we are looking for a mindset. A set of occurrences that causes the mind to be quiescent. To be starved of the input from body and emotions. So as to dissolve into what it is. Insight is what changes that which you think is you to that which is you.
What is the difference between Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, and Judaism?
They all claim this is the right path and they denounce the others path. Therefore they are all perfect and also all imperfect. They are all the right way and all the wrong way. This is part of the universe, part of this phenomenon called life. The religions are subject to being right and then wrong.
Ever since I can remember there was never a definitive answer to any question. I always would see both sides were both right. The angle at which you view something determines the information you will receive. Then your mind changes, unless you are entrenched fully in the belief, then it will take much to change. This belief is a concept, a notion, which you have clenched and won’t let go. The real you (that which you are) is not a tenet, belief or notion it is just you. It is the unchangeable, the anchor. While the world flip-flops around and everything is in the constant change (including your mind) this that is you remains in suchness. The pure you has no impurities or deviations. It contains nothing at all. And the very lack of something makes it what it is. It is not even the space that something can fill because it is already full. But that which it is full, yet this fullness is not cognizable.
It is you-the pure subject-the source that emanates this world; that is the world. The source is the universe. It is realized that it is the nature of this source to emanate a universe. The source has nothing to do with, and is not conscious of, this fact. As in the body the nerves function perfectly and we have nothing to do with them and we are not conscious of them. It is pure subjectivity a card folded back onto itself. So it is only it self and nothing else. Most people live their life not even thinking of this, but for some of us riding emotional surf it becomes very tiresome. Not sure what will be next to tear us down or elevate us to the heights of the elation.
Being lived from the core lessens the surf to just a ripple. It becomes the anchor that is pure and stable and real. It is the underlying peace that runs through us continually.
Having a firm belief can also give you an anchor and maybe some peace. But it can be vicarious. Your whole life is set on a foundation of notions. And if there is any second-guessing, this notion, is easily toppled. It is more natural to be lived from that which you are, and much easier.
Can’t get to sleep?
Find agitation that is keeping your wake. Internal agitation it could just be your mind. Then write it down or just be openly aware. If you notice the emotional blocks usually, but not always, in the pit of your stomach then open up to that let this emotion fill your total body. Feel the agitation and allow it to be, don’t do anything just be aware, using all your senses . This awareness will dissipate the fluctuations. Relax into that area and you will sleep.
FORGIVENESS
If you need to forgive than you are holding on to a notion that someone has wronged you. That someone has gone out of their way to hurt you. Who did they hurt? There really is nothing to hurt. The pain felt by the person is really a self-inflicted punishment. For- giving is the way to stop you from punishing yourself. It is a letting be, letting go and an opening. The perpetrator only hurt you momentarily but your attachment continues the pain. This pain is worse than that which was originally inflicted which may have been nothing anyway .So in fact if you give up attachments you give up forgiveness.
WHERE are you?
I am here
To you yes, but to me you are at there
Why am I here and you there
There is no separation but the changing of cognizing. Giving an object substance giving anything objectivity is just a play with the mind. What can there be but subjectivity. All emanating and receiving from that which you are.
EVERYTHING is just as it should be, everything is perfect and according to plan how could it not be; planets would collide.
Even if they did this it would be just as it should be. Life lives itself with no concern, just as a movie goes ahead so does life. There is nothing you can do to change anything. If something gets done then life got it done and it was incidental that you were there and given authorship. All the faculties you are given are given by life. All the urges, all thoughts, all analysis. You do nothing there is nothing you can do. The drive you have as well as the ability to get anything done. The teachers you meet, it is all incidental as life lives.
From that which you are there is nothing. There is no concern for life for anything in the universe there just is suchness. Self in self more sufficient than any thing. Pure peace no-thing to get in the way, no-thing at all. A perfectly full peacefulness.
The phenomenal existence is not distinct from that which you are. It is an effect of it. Your humanness is only a channeling of that which you are through your psychosomatic structure.
Even in this phenomenal universal existence we are not separate from that which we are, for that which we are is the source of everyone and everything. In looking is the only way to be conscious of this fact. That which you are is neither perception nor non-perception. Subject and object have become one-samahdi-.pure subjectivity folding onto itself.
BOREDOM
What is boredom? It is really an uneasiness with yourself and an unfocused being trying in a fragmented way to do something. The energies in the body are causing an uneasiness and there is nowhere to escape. If you are content with yourself and with others, if you are at peace with it all then boredom is not an issue. If you realize that which you are then you are full to the brim and boredom is a foreign term. Let boredom take care of itself, let the need to do something take care of itself; it has nothing to do with that which you truly are.
AMEN-OM-HUM
The vibration that is felt throughout the body, the vibration that is heard as drums, harps, Bell’s, the vibration that can be seen as light. This is a course unit of consciousness the building block of all things. The Divine hypnosis which is Maya.
Beyond this is the true you that which has no vibration. This is oneness and of everything and also a dualness; the latter brings a sense of individuality and separateness. When oneness, duality and all concepts disappears; you are that which you truly are which is the sum total of everything and nothing. You are not everything nor nothing.
Just within the body and not being what you are; you become a kite on a very long string being blown around by emotions and mental fluctuation.
Attachment
Attachment to an animated object does cause suffering as well as elation. The attachment also brings about the need to control because this animate object has become part of what you think you are, just as the mind body is thought of as that which you are. And as a part of your mind/body there is a need to conform with your own conceptual perceptions.
Attachment to inanimate objects also brings suffering and elation. The inanimate object also becomes part of that which you think you are and damage to this item also becomes a damage to you. This is also tied into how you view your body and mind system. The less you identify with your body in mind as being that which you truly are the less you are attached to the inanimate and animate objects. So seeking that which you truly are goes right to the root of “liberation”. This is just living life naturally. From the moment we are born a process occurs that we start to create a person. First of all we have this inbuilt form that we call our genes. These genes are passed down by our parents and atomically our person is formed. Then from our parents and genes our personality begins to form. Then peers, movie stars, pop stars and mentors begin to form this complex person. The personality is a ghost, an idea and not even a thing. This ghost apparently is what you believe is the real you. You would think you could see through a ghost but you become entrenched in this illusive identity. So entrenched in this illusion that it becomes a curtain that obscures your view. The ghost has to be realized for what it is; just an idea, part of your imagination that is continually updated by memory. For true liberation to come, attention has to be focused on that which you really are. This is the only way to break the spell, to drop the curtain. Your attention that is keeping this illusion alive is foreword or straight ahead. The deepest that you normally enter the body is the back of the eyes or the ear drum, from these points the sense organs and emotional makeup are active. By turning your attention 180 degrees and placing it behind the 3-D viewer (the spinal area has been known to be a good place to start your focused) the attention he is removed from the sensorium (3-D viewer) and placed on the indescribable you. At first it may seem like nothing, but after more practice there is a realization that this is the only truth and that all else is a changeable scene. You are the much sought after peace, the complete wholeness that nothing needs to be added.
All concepts, theories, ideas and structures are just that. They are part of the operation of the universe and the only unchangeable truth is that which is you. You will notice that the sinking into that which you are will begin to lighten your load. Tensions will begin to drop away and life will flow more naturally. What will be will be. You will not hang on to the old hurts and your hold on all ideas will start to drop.
The Saint
What is a saint?
Whatever your idea of a saint is then that is a saint to you
What would you say a saint is and is it the highest way to live?
A saint is someone that lives a saintly or highly moral life. He has somehow through hard work usually changed his personality from that of an everyday person to a saintly person. The idea of a saint was learned by him and he spends his life trying to live this ideal.
The highest way to live is the natural way. The way of living from the core that is really you.
The saint has gained saintly skills. Living naturally you have to lose yourself.
The saint has a list of accomplishments. Natural living just lives from the core and accomplishments come and go without fanfare.
The saint has a list of rules to live by. When living naturally there are no rules because that which you truly are emanates how to live.
Give me vitality
Vitality is good for living in this world. It gives you the energy to accomplish that which you wish to accomplish. It steers away depression and can bring happiness to the mind/body.
With all positives there are negatives. It can also bring unrest. The unused energy can become blocked and build. This gives way to frustration and anger. When being that which you are the energy flows naturally so the excess passes through and doesn’t dam up.
Who are you praying to?
I am praying to God
Why don’t you pray to yourself?
That would be egotistical
There is no difference between praying to God or praying to yourself
Don’t be an idiot. I am not God.
Do you have some faith in the idea of non-duality.
Yes I do
Then there is no separation between anything.
Yes
God (which you could describe as the functioning of the universe) is emanated from the source that is the real you. As your body is a small scale functioning in a universal large scale functioning. Yet is no less a miracle. But you, being more than this functioning, would do better to pray to yourself.
Exercise Asceticism Mantra and Masochism
These are all actions that are performed to cleanse the body/mind. Asceticism and masochism are very similar in that they both self inflict pain to help alleviate unrest within the body/mind. The body has too much vitality. This excess energy becomes blocked and has to be purged somehow because it becomes quite painful. Self inflicting pain can temporarily relieve this.
The bliss or ananda of the scriptures is just the release of this excess energy so that is why many find this appealing. But it is only temporary.
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http://www.skepdic.com/manifest.html
So if you produce real vivid images of yourself making your dreams come true they will?
That’s not a new or revolutionary concept.
The fact that the guy is selling a book on it makes me think he is yet another new age author trying to make a buck (basing nothing on logic or coincidence) off of the poor souls who support the gargantuan and sorry American self-help market.
I call shenanigans. Seriously, that kind of stuff is on Penn and Teller: Bullshit!
Wow. Finally another person who prefers reality to delusion around these parts.
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In regards to the Christopher Westra interview:
I myself watched "I Heart the Huckabees" & loved it. Then I saw "What the Bleep do We Know Anyway?". One of my very favorite movies is "What Dreams May Come." YOU mentioned all three in your interview which is pretty awesome.
Thomas Edison (w the ball), Astral projection, astrology, Wayne Dyer. . . I don't find a lot of people who know as much as I do about all these & many more so I enjoyed your interview. You have an interesting mind.
Astrology is bullshit, and so is 'astral projection', and without even bothering to do a google to check out who he is, I'm willing to bet that 'Wayne Dyer' is full of crap too.
Edit: I just googled 'dr' dyer, and yes, I was right - he is a total charlatan.
Here's a question for you believers in nonsense - why don't you grow up and start behaving like adults?
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Originally posted by Blackout:
While skeptics likes to debunk most things, I found this very wonderful passage that I use to explain to people that you have miraculous powers of will controlling matter that you take for granted:
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Of course, the beauty and magic of nature has nothing to do with magick. There is the magic of the birth of a healthy child; the magic of true love. There is the magic of getting out of bed in the morning through an act of will. Unfortunately, this only seems to be magic to those who do not have this power. Those of us who can direct our bodies through acts of will too often take this power for granted. We fail to see the wondrousness of simple things, like wiping the sweat from one's brow. We take for granted the act of opening our eyes to feast on the sublimity of glaciers and oceans or the beauty of sunsets or meadows of wild flowers. These are truly magical deeds and, when contemplated, hold enough wonder to fill universes. But for many, it seems, such real magic will never be enough.
* Blackout *
Fuck me blackout. How dumb are you?
That passage means NOTHING. It's utterly meaningless and devoid of any substance whatsoever. Anyone can write crap like that. It's like me saying:
"How to release your inner Orange.
The spiritual transference into adulthood has denied us our orange from within. Man can deny his true duality and oneness with orange energy only while he is at odds with himself and his true inner orange. Only the wisest and most true sighted can smell the purity of the one orange and his allow his orange tree of within to blossom. This is also tied in to how you see your body and mind system. Beyond this is the true you that which has no vibration. This is orangeness and of everything and also a dualness; the latter brings a sense of individuality and separateness. When orangeness, duality and all concepts disappear; you are that which you truly are which is the sum total of everything and nothing. You are not everything nor nothing. You are an orange.
You are an orange.
He who releases his true orange will be THE true orange. He who is THE true orange has truly released his TRUE ORANGE.
You are an orange.
Orange tree - I bequeth thee!"
Do you see what I did there? Totally fucking meaningless, yet this is the very shit that you are interpreting as profound. Fucking nonsense. Use your brain for fucks sake.
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AAARRRGGH,
Why do you think you are so uncomfortable with spiritual people's expression. The fact that you are not able to understand it, (as you have stated) will not be lessened by your frustration.
I can remember kids saying, "what are those x and Ys doing in a math problem?", when they did not know the algebra. Science is governed by logic. While logic is a good tool when put to the correct task, it is not a fit-em-all wrench that works on all jobs.
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Aargh you seem to be in a bitchy mood. The paragraph that made you so upset was meaningful, and it's meanign was this:
Take your hand, and put it in front of your face.
Are you doing that?
Good. Now wiggle your fingers.
You have just performed magick.
By the pure power of thought, you commanded billions of things to obey you automatically. Incredible hiearchies were at work.
Still, science can tell us that this many nerve cells fired off this many signals that caused however many muscle cells to pull in the ways you wanetd them to, but science never finds HOW this actually works.. or more aptly - science never finds the center command center from which the commands arise. Those commands arise from spirit.
More on this later.
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Bah, you want magic, check this out!
Party Magic!
Send in 2 Whiz wrappers and 6 cents (in coins or STAMPS!) and get a book about party stunts. They are NOT 'bars' but rather like chocholated hamburger patties. It'd be interesting to try one...
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Blackout, I do agree with u that manifesting works and it is not magic or something new either... ( I am also not defending Westra's book either...) i think that people who are opposed to this idea have not really focused or thought deeply about this subject , even though we humans are made of thoughts...Scientists are discovering new things about the brain and how it works....I do use it in my everyday life and this concept exists in my religion Islam... Briefly, Muslims are encouraged to always keep a positive outlook and think thoughts that are full of hope...pessimism and negative thinking or limiting beliefs are considered to be as a kind of rejection in the existance of God and is considered to be a big sin!... Positive Intentions along with positive visualizations do indeed produce or manifest whatever you desire (it could also work in the negative way) but only through persistence and patience. Many books have been written on the subject of intention by Islamic scholars (some very old).
However I do not believe in the idea that we humans have created ourselves or our world nor that we are our own god....I think this is something bigger than us humans...
Although I do believe we can create the life and circumstances we want depending on our intentions, but I do not believe that we can pro-create ....like create a cell or a planet , etc...I believe that creation is left to Almighty God only!
Even if one disbelieves in God , we have to admit that there are many decisions that have already been made for us in which we have no control of it . Simply take a look around ... the whole universe moves without us controlling it .The sun sets and rises whether we like it or not...galaxies spin counter-clockwise without our help (we as humans could not change any of these facts even if we collectively focused on them as some people have claimed, it is basically out of our control!) ... Also we have no say in the situation of when and where we were born, our gender , height, color and thousand of other choices ... our bodies work in ways we have no control off...For example ,our heart beats about 3 billion times non-stop in a lifetime, 10 million cells die every second and a new 10 million cells are born every second...hair , nail growth ,etc...Amazing things really! we have no conscious control on any of this....and millions of other things! Yes we can control our feelings, our health ,etc by positive or negative thinking...
Your story about ur church experience really bothered me and I think it had a lasting effect on ur upbringing and belief system about religion. I think , u have erased the concept of a one God completely . I do not blame u ! this experience would have a lasting effect on anyone. But I think u were quick to conclude (as an adult now ) that all religions are insignificant because of this one experience...A negative belief about religion is embedded in you...The priest was definitely wrong of course by showing no mercy and worrying about "Gods money "as he called it . But does this mean that God and every christian are bad ?... Mercy is a concept that we humans have neglected over the years even though all humans are genetically extremely close...Maybe this is what we should try to focus on in order for it to grow on earth.
Anyway reflecting on this incident, I would like to mention briefly about the Godly mercy that I believe in .The following concept makes sense to me and has to do with the subject of manifestation...I do try to focus on this concept a lot , even everyday ...and indeed I do see a lot of mercy around me...I do get a lot of people in my life that try to help me in anyway possible and I in turn do the same to others...God in the Koran describes himself as the God of mercy. He has divided mercy into 100 parts and has kept 99 parts for Himself and 1 part was sent to earth , this part were all mankind and other species uses to practice mercy and bond together...Showing no mercy is not tolerated in Islam , it is said by the prophet Mohammad that a woman will go to hell because she has killed a cat by locking it up and starving it to death...and another woman ( a prostitute actually! ) will have her sins forgiven and enter paradise because she has given water from a deep well to a extremely thirsty stray dog using her shoe .
I am deeply touched once again about what happened to you but I think God is not to blame here .God is innocent from the terrible actions of a few of his creations that do not follow His rules.
I think we should all be grateful this second to God for letting us breath His oxygen and for every atom that goes in and out of us!
I which u good luck and hope u find what u are looking for....I also which peace to everyone ...God bless u all.
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I’ll start with this:
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Originally posted by DR. PEACE:
we have to admit that there are many decisions that have already been made for us in which we have no control of it […],our heart beats about 3 billion times non-stop in a lifetime, 10 million cells die every second and a new 10 million cells are born every second...hair , nail growth ,etc...Amazing things really!
No, we don’t HAVE to admit this. This is the argument from Intelligent Design and Darwin argued against this theory about 150 years ago in "Origin of Species". Scientists are again arguing against Intelligent Design because of recent attempts by Christian Conservatives to bring it into science curriculum.
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[Blackout] I think u were quick to conclude (as an adult now ) that all religions are insignificant because of this one experience.
[..]does this mean that God and every christian are bad ?...
God is not to blame here .
Did you even read Blackout’s post? Clearly, he is rejecting some formal organized religions in part because of “mass corruption”, not just because of his ONE experience with the priest. And he certainly isn’t blaming God, or labeling Him and Christians as bad, or concluding that all religions are insignificant.
From the man himself:
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Originally posted by Blackout:
There is massive corruption going on in the church just as there is in our government.
Good IS not prevailing, MONEY is
Blackout also criticizes some belief systems on Philosophical grounds:
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Originally posted by DR. PEACE:
If God DIDN'T create evil, then that also makes God - as the top dog of us all concept false, because that means there must be something above God [that created evil].
there probably is a dude who designed our universe and us, and then something that designed that thing's universe and it, and so on and so on and so forth.... bubbles and bubbles and bubbles of creative universes within universes...life within life within life...but it never unifies... you are always looking for some top dog, some master intelligence, some grand creator of the entire thing.
So DR. PEACE, I don’t think Blackout was too quick to conclude anything. What I gather from his posts is that he had an awakening because of some dipshit priest and has spent many years developing and philosophizing his views about formal organized religion and God. And I certainly don’t think that Blackout, or anyone else, MUST admit to any divine philosophy based on the fideistic argument from Intelligent Design.
The fact that we may not agree with Blackout’s theistic views does not make them wrong or rushed.
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I think we should all be grateful this second to God for letting us breath His oxygen and for every atom that goes in and out of us!
I which u good luck and hope u find what u are looking for....I also which peace to everyone ...God bless u all.
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You are ill. You should seek medical advice immediately. You appear to believe in the literal existence of a fictional character.
God has been dead for at least 200 years. Let's try to keep it that way
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I’ll start with this:
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Originally posted by DR. PEACE:
we have to admit that there are many decisions that have already been made for us in which we have no control of it […],our heart beats about 3 billion times non-stop in a lifetime, 10 million cells die every second and a new 10 million cells are born every second...hair , nail growth ,etc...Amazing things really!
No, we don’t HAVE to admit this. This is the argument from Intelligent Design and Darwin argued against this theory about 150 years ago in "Origin of Species". Scientists are again arguing against Intelligent Design because of recent attempts by Christian Conservatives to bring it into science curriculum.
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Originally posted by DR. PEACE:
[Blackout] I think u were quick to conclude (as an adult now ) that all religions are insignificant because of this one experience.
[..]does this mean that God and every christian are bad ?...
God is not to blame here .
Did you even read Blackout’s post? Clearly, he is rejecting some formal organized religions in part because of “mass corruption”, not just because of his ONE experience with the priest. And he certainly isn’t blaming God, or labeling Him and Christians as bad, or concluding that all religions are insignificant.
From the man himself:
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Originally posted by Blackout:
There is massive corruption going on in the church just as there is in our government.
Good IS not prevailing, MONEY is
Blackout also criticizes some belief systems on Philosophical grounds:
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Originally posted by DR. PEACE:
If God DIDN'T create evil, then that also makes God - as the top dog of us all concept false, because that means there must be something above God [that created evil].
there probably is a dude who designed our universe and us, and then something that designed that thing's universe and it, and so on and so on and so forth.... bubbles and bubbles and bubbles of creative universes within universes...life within life within life...but it never unifies... you are always looking for some top dog, some master intelligence, some grand creator of the entire thing.
So DR. PEACE, I don’t think Blackout was too quick to conclude anything. What I gather from his posts is that he had an awakening because of some dipshit priest and has spent many years developing and philosophizing his views about formal organized religion and God. And I certainly don’t think that Blackout, or anyone else, MUST admit to any divine philosophy based on the fideistic argument from Intelligent Design.
The fact that we may not agree with Blackout’s theistic views does not make them wrong or rushed.
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Dear Metalslug2:
You know it is great 2 have many opinions about a subject ...I have checked the website u have mentioned and I respect your point of view but what I think about darwin and evolution is available in this website...
http://www.hyahya.org/c_refutation_darwinism.php
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http://www.hyahya.org/
I would appreciate if you find some time to go through it...there are many books , articles, even movies....thanx
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Ahh.. a link to an anti-intellectual assault on reality from the sordid religion known as Islam. I'm afraid that quoting the Koran is not going to help you here. The Koran is a man made document designed by human beings purely as a means of gathering the assent and servitude of the masses.
Darwinism is one of the most solid and established scientific facts that we have, and it has come about because of the anti-islamic concepts of honest thought and enquiry. We in the educated west call this 'Science'. Read about it here.
There is no doubt whatsoever that evolution is fact, and there is very little doubting that natural selection, as discovered by Charles Darwin, is the primary mechanism of evolutionary change over time.
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Oh boy. This juicy thread going again. I have a lot to say on this sort of stuff and I think everyone has their right to believe in and follow the path that they want to so lets not attack our new poster right off the bat.
To Dr Peace:
I do not have a bad view of religion or God because of just one incident that happened when I was a kid. I simply ave a very different view of what God means. I don't think God created humans or humans created God. I think the workd God is the word all - and all of it is it and all of it constantly creates it. Human perhaps may feel like a higher or lower form to some - depending on where you are in your life and your spirit. Some people think we are a biological blink of an accident... that poof.. by accident of sludge this system formed together and look - OOPS.. consciousness happened... so sorry for the inconvenience. I don't believe that either. This is obviously a very diliberate system, but I think if their is a designer of humans, then it itself has a designer of it, and the mystery probably never stops until your realize that in infinity all things are possible and the only thing I can be fairly sure of is that we are all one energy. I don't think there is God all high holy just sitting creating... I think their may be, but we are part of that thign then, it is not a seperate entity. In fact seperateness is just a fun illusuion to allow the one enrgy that is everyuthign to experience itself and others things - like a mirror.. so seperateness was created, but I think it pulses back and forth. Kidn of like the dark crystal... where at the end, good and evil join and are just one thing - IS, or ALL, or whatever you would like to call it. I think we merge with the all, nd then merge out to seperateness to experience being in different ways.
Also, I am not so sure though, as you mentioned, that you didn't chose the time of your birth and your height and race and conditions and such and such... perhaps you just don't remember. Perhaps this is akin to a video game, and at the start of HUMAN LIFE ON EARTH game, you have a selection screen, and maybe you have already played the rich attractive perfect life person 100 times and you want to try something more challenging. Humans appear to be attracted to things like that aren't they? It doesn't appear that they go to a movie where everything is just a peaceful sunset for 2 hours and people smile. People go to watch others conflicts and how the resolve them - in other words.. people CHOOSE drama. So if you are aware of this, hopefully you can manifest positive chalenges and experiences, and not negative vortexes of crap.
Even knowing all this.. I appear to draw some negative crap into my life. I have to realize when this happens to keep my focus, and not let my mind run away with garbage thoughts and feeligns, because what you think and feel you are and you transmit and attract.
Do what thou wilt.
Do what thou wilt under love.
Such is the extent of THE LAW.
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